03-12-2004 18:14									#121
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BK: Also, what is your argument, in relation to the original topic, i.e., would would you do re. "gay books" on the curriculum and why?

	03-12-2004 18:16									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin But Alabama just wouldn't be Alabama unless somebody taught them to stone gays.

You forgot about the giant sign greating people as they enter AL.

Welome to Alabama! Set your watch back forty years!

	03-12-2004 18:18									#123
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm It is my opinion that an official copy of the three most common versions of the religious texts of all major world religions should be kept in school libraries , in their free and completely uncensored form .

Dude, they would so get in a fight over what the proper version of the Bible was: King James, New Anotated King Jame, Oxford, New American, etc. etc. etc.

	03-12-2004 18:55									#124
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That's why I said the three official ones , like the ones which can trace thir ancestry back to the original in the most convincing way .

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That all depends on who's doing the tracing. There are probably around 100 million people in the U.S. who swear that the King James Version is the real Bible and that it was inspired by God. Any serious scholar, however, will tell you it was badly translated. It is, however, one of the major works of English literature.

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Yes but any serious scholar excludes many Christian arguments.... creationism, continental drift, scriptural literalism for starters...

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What do KJV-thumpers think of non-anglophone Protestants?

	03-12-2004 19:39									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist What do KJV-thumpers think of non-anglophone Protestants?

That they should learn English, as God intended.

	03-12-2004 19:46									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar The bible has homosexual characters in it. We should burn it.

What gay characters? And don't say David and Jonathan. They were not gay.

Obviously, banning gay books is wrong. I believe in free speech. let everyone, pro-gay and anti-gay publish their views and let people read what they want and make up their own minds.

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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat And don't say David and Jonathan. They were not gay.

'Course not. They just had gay sex -- doesn't mean they were gay...

	03-12-2004 22:54									#131
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There was a historical-fiction novel I read a few years ago in which the time period was the Civil War. In the story, two of the many characters were Confederate soldiers and they **** and also fall in love with one another.

I wish I remember the title, damn it.

	03-12-2004 23:06									#132
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And now I'm probably going to drive myself crazy the rest of the day, today, because I can't remember this damn title, nor the author.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun And now I'm probably going to drive myself crazy the rest of the day, today, because I can't remember this damn title, nor the author.

just google gay "Civil War" novel and one of the characters names...

	04-12-2004 00:09									#134
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Oh, yes, I'm too lazy to browse the thread: does "gay book" mean a book with explicite gay sex in it,
a book with gay motives even, or a book that was written by a gay guy?

	04-12-2004 01:22									#135
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger 'Course not. They just had gay sex -- doesn't mean they were gay...

Give me chapter and verse where it says that they had sex!

	04-12-2004 01:28									#136
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also another thing. What the hell is a gay book? Because if there is a gay book, there must be a hetero book also, but I never seen those.. ?

	04-12-2004 01:36									#137
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I think "magazine" can also be considered a book.
And well, then...

	04-12-2004 02:50									#138
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Give me chapter and verse where it says that they had sex!

1 Samuel 20:41
[And] as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of [a place] toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.

Some newer translations attempt to change the meaning of this and other passages by, e.g., rendering "until David exceeded" as "until David wept more" or something along similar lines, so that the relationship can be given a platonic connotation. However, Saul's reaction to the relationship in, e.g., 1 Samuel 20:30 doesn't make any sense when the relationship is given a platonic connotation. 2 Samuel 1:26 (I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.) settles the ambiguity -- it wasn't proper for men and women to have platonic relationships in ancient Israel, so by comparing their relationship to a relationship a man would have with a woman David leaves no doubt that the love to which he refers is homosexual love, not platonic love.

	04-12-2004 02:55									#139
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I don't understand what a "gay book" is... With my sick perverted mind I can turn any book into a "gay book"

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What is sick and perverted about sex between two men?

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What did I say?

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Homosexualism is not normal. It's just that it doesn't harm anyone, so it shouldn't be condemned but for the fact that is does not lead to procreation.
But as only a small ammount of men is keen on such activities, it will not lead to death of the human race, so this arguement falls.
In fact, homosexuality can have multiples uses.
Like when we are worried that some national minority has too big natural growth, we can start a heavy pro-gay-activity campaign ammongst them, and see if it doesn't help.
I'm sure some people will try if encouraged.

	04-12-2004 03:03									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Japher What did I say?

Never mind -- it's not what you said, but it's what I thought you were implying.

	04-12-2004 03:04									#144
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You are very ignorant Heresson. Homosexuality is an epidemic! If we don't curb the effects of it now all of humanity will be doomed! We must stop MrFun from spreading his fairy dust and contaminating public water fountains with his coodies!

quote: Never mind -- it's not what you said, but it's what I thought you were implying.

Little Women

	04-12-2004 03:05									#145
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I already contaminated the water supply.

	04-12-2004 03:34									#146
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So that's why there's that white powder-milk like dust after some water evaporates?

	04-12-2004 04:37									#147
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BTW, on the subject of librarian censorship, my highschool (Grades 9-13, no 'junior high') had a subscription to the far-right* magazine 'the Alberta Report' for my entire time there. I honestly think they didn't know what it was.

* I mean 'Bush is a liberal' far-right when I say that, not far-right for Canada.

	04-12-2004 11:34									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Homosexualism is not normal. It's just that it doesn't harm anyone, so it shouldn't be condemned but for the fact that is does not lead to procreation. But as only a small ammount of men is keen on such activities, it will not lead to death of the human race, so this arguement falls. In fact, homosexuality can have multiples uses. Like when we are worried that some national minority has too big natural growth, we can start a heavy pro-gay-activity campaign ammongst them, and see if it doesn't help. I'm sure some people will try if encouraged.

Color me impressed. I was actually under the impression you were rather homophobic, so this improves my opinion of you substantially.

	04-12-2004 13:17									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Asher First, we're talking elementary schools, not high-schools. Second, the parents who choose a secular school do not want any religion involved in their education, which includes bibles (some argue they are religious books ).

Bullshit. The default is the public school system. You have to actually try to go to the seperate system.

Many children of religious parents go to public schools.

	04-12-2004 13:20									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker BTW, on the subject of librarian censorship, my highschool (Grades 9-13, no 'junior high') had a subscription to the far-right* magazine 'the Alberta Report' for my entire time there. I honestly think they didn't know what it was. * I mean 'Bush is a liberal' far-right when I say that, not far-right for Canada.

OH MY GOD!

You mean they actually had publications that expressed a non-mainstream view?

How ever did you become the fine upstanding citizen that you turned out to be?

Oh, and you wouldn't have a clue about what you are saying when you say that, btw.