16-01-2005 09:39									#241
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Here's another exerpt:

"One bright spot in the first few months of the war was that it seemed that the Nazis had no sustainable atomic production line in place to counter the American stockpile. While the destruction and looting of Oak Ridge had been a major setback to American atomic bomb production it had not halted it. The laboratory in Los Alamos, New Mexico was still working on perfecting the bomb and ways of producing it, becoming more efficient as weeks passed. Experiments on producing a "hydrogen" bomb were underway. Though the atomic bomb program had not produced a bomb in time for the war with Japan it was hoped that it could now stop the Nazis dead in their tracks. Security surrounding the laboratory at Los Alamos had been increased. It was even boasted by Oppenheimer himself that "it would take an army" to breach the base's defenses..."

Last edited by Harry Tuttle on 16-01-2005 at 09:46

	16-01-2005 10:22									#242
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Ah... so the first atomic bomb hasn't even been used in combat then eh? I get it now. At first, I was under the impression that the bomb had in fact been developed and used against the Japanese.

This does mean then however that there are existing stockpiles of atomic weaponry in the American arsenal right? Or am I misreading your Atomic Eagle timeline Harry?

	16-01-2005 10:28									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Ah... so the first atomic bomb hasn't even been used in combat then eh? I get it now. At first, I was under the impression that the bomb had in fact been developed and used against the Japanese. This does mean then however that there are existing stockpiles of atomic weaponry in the American arsenal right? Or am I misreading your Atomic Eagle timeline Harry?

Yep, in AE I the U.S. had an event that would give them an atomic bomber every 20 turns.

As alternate histories and the A-Bomb usually go, the Manhatten Project was given such high priority because the Nazis were developing their own bomb. In the AE timeline the Manhatten Project was not given such a high priority. Also, since the war with Japan ended in 1944, the project wouldn't have been able to produce one in time anyways.

...and you did like my foreshadowing, right? Los Alamos, New Mexico ?

	16-01-2005 10:46									#244
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Yes I did both pick up and like your foreshadowing of the "Los Alamos" event. Just what this event might involve... well I suppose we'll all have to wait and find out in due time.

The way I see it, you could have a small scale "Oak Ridge" style raid mini scenario where the US has to defend Los Alamos from the German raiders, or it could be an event triggered massive all out assult on the city on the full scale North America map in regular gameplay.

Either way Harry it sounds like you have a real winner on your hands here!!

	18-01-2005 10:55									#245
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Say Harry, I was once working on a scenario that also took place in the late 1940's and featured an all out war on North American soil. I had planned to include a "Hoover Dam" unit inside or just outside of Las Vegas which would serve a key purpose in the game.

The Hoover Dam, which provides 4+ billion kilowatts annually, 56% of which goes to California was to be crucial to one sides war effort. If the Hoover Dam was to be destroyed by an enemy attack, the result would be a massive loss of money on the part of the defender. Also, several hex's of desert terrain around the Hoover would be converted to ocean squares to represent the 46,000,000,000 ydłof water that would be emptied out of Lake Mead and into the Colorado River Basin. Basically, two years worth of river flow would be unleashed in a matter of minutes.

Essentially, for the dam's defender it would be key to protect the dam at any and all costs. For the attacker, it was to be key to their war strategy that the dam be destroyed as soon as possible. I think this idea could be applied in the case of Atomic Eagle II, as the dam's destruction would certainly hamper America's war effort throughout the American southwest.

	18-01-2005 22:25									#246
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Very interesting idea Sarsstock. I think I will include it. The Hoover dam would definately have been a major target. Thanks for the idea!

	22-01-2005 22:51									#247
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Say Harry, you wouldn't happen to have any more previews from the story line to post for us anxious fans would you? Perhaps some more information on this shadowy group behind Rommel's rise to power and what this group saw in Rommel that they didn't see in Hitler?

	23-01-2005 00:16									#248
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Here are some more units that i hope you find useful,

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	23-01-2005 02:08									#249
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Say Harry, you wouldn't happen to have any more previews from the story line to post for us anxious fans would you? Perhaps some more information on this shadowy group behind Rommel's rise to power and what this group saw in Rommel that they didn't see in Hitler?

Nope. You'll just have to wait...


Right now I'm working on the details of the scenario; ie. the text files. I do have one sort of neat thing to note. The buildable Wonders will be directly tied into the tech tree and the events in the scenario. Also, a few of the wonders will function as outputs for governmental policy.

For example:

Gain the tech "Brutal Police Tactics" ---> The American Patriotism and Times Square Wonders are made obsolete. ---> You can build the Wonder "Brutal Police Tactics".

So basically, you would be swapping the use of some happy wonders (The Oracle, Shakespeare's Theatre) for an improvement wonder (Women's Suffrage).

	23-01-2005 02:09									#250
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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika Here are some more units that i hope you find useful,

Thanks.

	23-01-2005 02:10									#251
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Oh and the Midwest now has farmland.

	30-01-2005 21:24									#252
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Any news to report on the Atomic Eagle II front Harry? Perhaps some more preview's of the story and or history from the AE universe?

	31-01-2005 00:40									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Any news to report on the Atomic Eagle II front Harry? Perhaps some more preview's of the story and or history from the AE universe?

You're really keen on my storytelling aren't you? Well Ok, here's a nice zinger for you.

"Early in March 1947 it became apparent that the effectiveness of the U.S Navy carrier fleet was going to be minimal in the North Atlantic. During the first major naval battle of the German-American war, dubbed the "Battle of Rio de Janeiro" 5 U.S. carriers, 4 battleships, 7 cruisers, and 16 support vessels were lost, along with 734 USN Bearcat fighters and 12,000 sailors. This was the most costly loss to the Navy since Pearl Harbor and nearly destroyed any hope of securing the Atlantic. During the engagement only 212 German Bf-109 "Toni"s, 13 converted Me-262's, and 4 German cruisers were destroyed. Kriegsmarine advances in the past few years had outpaced anything the American Navy had developed during the Pacific War."

	31-01-2005 00:42									#254
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Another little update. I'm busy coverting everything over to ToT. I'm still editing the map using MGE do to it's ability to "Cheat" city improvements into being. CivCity has also been useful. The terrain and icon graphics are almost done too.

	31-01-2005 01:06									#255
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So now its the Kriegsmarine that rules the Atlantic eh? I guess this would be a most unwelcome wake up call for the Americans, as in your earlier story preview you told us how the general American mindset was that the Navy was strong enough to protect America's shores.

To loose five carriers in a single battle would be a disaster, let alone the bulk of America's Naval Air Force in the Atlantic and a sizeable chunk of her Atlantic fleet in general.

	31-01-2005 07:53									#256
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I've been looking online for this stuff all night, but the only good census data I could find in one place was for the U.S.

What was the population of the following Canadian cities in 1940-1950?

- Ottawa

- Montreal

- London

- Frederickton

- Halifax

- Fort William

- Winnipeg

- Regina

- Calgary

- Vancouver

- Victoria

	31-01-2005 08:32									#257
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock So now its the Kriegsmarine that rules the Atlantic eh? I guess this would be a most unwelcome wake up call for the Americans, as in your earlier story preview you told us how the general American mindset was that the Navy was strong enough to protect America's shores. To loose five carriers in a single battle would be a disaster, let alone the bulk of America's Naval Air Force in the Atlantic and a sizeable chunk of her Atlantic fleet in general.

i guess the majority of the U.S. fleet would be in the pacific, fat lotta good they would do since they would be needed in the atlantic, mabe the U.S. Can have hoardes of naval units in the pacific but they would have to navigate through the canadian northwest territories in order to get to the atlantic,

	31-01-2005 10:11									#258
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I'll have to look into that one Harry for ya. I think I will have to actually inquire at a library to get the census data on those cities.

	31-01-2005 14:00									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika i guess the majority of the U.S. fleet would be in the pacific, fat lotta good they would do since they would be needed in the atlantic, mabe the U.S. Can have hoardes of naval units in the pacific but they would have to navigate through the canadian northwest territories in order to get to the atlantic,

*cough* Panama *cough*

	31-01-2005 22:11									#260
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what if the the germans took panama early in the game?

	31-01-2005 23:08									#261
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock I'll have to look into that one Harry for ya. I think I will have to actually inquire at a library to get the census data on those cities.

Ok cool, thank you. The only census data I can find for Canada has to do with ethnicity, not actual city population by year. I did find Toronto and Quebec data though. Surprisingly Central and South American city population data was fairly abundant.

@ Erika & Typhoon: Panama will be in U.S. hands to start and will be a point of entry into the Atlantic. I have to stress that naval warfare will not be stressed in the game, owing to Civ2's inability to really work well with it.

	01-02-2005 00:29									#262
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Are you still doing this one in ToT, Harry?

If so, anything you need done, just say da word, boss!

This is going to be such a fine epic of a war!

	01-02-2005 00:45									#263
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Are you still doing this one in ToT, Harry? If so, anything you need done, just say da word, boss! This is going to be such a fine epic of a war!

Yep, ToT. I've been arranging the graphics in ToT for a bit now, but working out the lumps in MGE. Right now I'm making historically accurate population centers.

and thank you, I will call on you when needed!

	01-02-2005 04:58									#264
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I look forward to it, cheers!

	04-02-2005 07:54									#265
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"Strategery"

One thing I always hold high when I'm making a scenario is the strategy aspect. It is an important part of any game and increases the fun level. I hold high regard for a game that manages to excite a player so that he or she is so pissed off that the AI took a city that he or she can't sleep. It's a hallmark of a good scenario.

So, in that regard, I've made the SETI program into the Los Alamos laboratories, conveniently located in New Mexico, a stones throw away from the German assault. Lose the city and you lose a research lab in each city. Ha ha ha.

Also, I'm making use of the food routes. Lose Kansas and your Eastern cities starve. Ha ha ha.

Also, I'm making use of the hyper shield terrain. Lose Ohio, and your done. Ha ha ha

Oh yeah, and there are a bunch of other event oriented Wonders. When Austin "The Rock" Hudson comes onto the scene you will be able to build "Austin's Wolverines" which counts as a happy citizen in each city. If Austin gets killed however, the Germans can build "The Death of Rock Austin" which counts as two free civ advances for the Germans. Also, "Austin's Wolverines" becomes obsolete. So sad.

There are also a few more that can be gained by retaking cities and losing cities.

Should be fun

	04-02-2005 09:34									#266
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Congratulations! You obviously did not use up your bag of innovative dirty tricks in Gold Gulch. Prime yourself for poison e-mails from pissed off players once you release the scen.

Might Hudson "The Rock" Austin make more sense than Austin "The Rock" Hudson for naming "Austin's Wolverines" and "The Death of Rock Austin" ? Either that or rename "The Death of Rock Austin" to "The Death of Rock Hudson".

	04-02-2005 09:44									#267
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Yep, ToT. I've been arranging the graphics in ToT for a bit now, but working out the lumps in MGE. Right now I'm making historically accurate population centers. and thank you, I will call on you when needed!

Well, I'm sure gonna enjoy this one.

	04-02-2005 14:42									#268
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Harry Tuttle = a bottomless pit of ideas.

This keeps sounding better and better Harry!

Are there going to be different seasons in this using batch files similar to Red Front, or is weather not going to be a factor?

	04-02-2005 20:11									#269
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quote: Originally posted by our_man Harry Tuttle = a bottomless pit of ideas. This keeps sounding better and better Harry! Are there going to be different seasons in this using batch files similar to Red Front, or is weather not going to be a factor?

Thanks everyone.

@Ourman: That really depends on my AI strategy events and Civswap. I have to see how much space is used and how much interruption there is in the game.

@Agricola: Yeah that makes sense. The name will probably change a bit.

	14-02-2005 07:56									#270
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Update: North America, except for parts of Mexico have been populated with farmland. Author starts singing "amber waves of grain"...

Most of the titles and wording of the popup screens have been redone too.