06-01-2005 15:32									#211
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I think those barbs might have a few problems...

	06-01-2005 17:41									#212
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I certainly wouldn't want to be that particular fellow

	06-01-2005 21:34									#213
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Pah, big giant yellowish-green 190,000 pound supertanks can be no match for a pointy stick!
my first few attempts at making this unit are horrid, but i will keep trying.

	08-01-2005 10:16									#214
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Hey Harry, I had a thought that might make the events.txt writing go a little bit smoother. Perhaps you could enlist some writers from the forum to write events generated text lines like Curt did when he was producing Kaiser.

You would of course choose the subject of the text and simply commision the various forum members to compose the text in full. Just a thought to save you some time

	09-01-2005 00:10									#215
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@CapTVK

quote: What I can't figure out is..."Why the hell did they do the T-28 Civ3 version in LIME GREEN!? "

I think that I may have found an explanation for the lime green T-28 ( I think that it is actually closer to chickens*** yellow). Unless I'm very badly mistaken, it was taken from the following website:
http://gunpoint-3d.com/model-T28.html

The site also has 8 excellent views of the T-28 model as it is rotated in 45° increments, just perfect for CIV3.

There are good pictures of the last surviving monster at:
http://www.military.cz/panzer/index_en1.htm
Just follow Tanks > USA > T-28 and enjoy the music.


@Broken_Erika

quote: Pah, big giant yellowish-green 190,000 pound supertanks can be no match for a pointy stick!

I definitely agree with what you say. IMO, any self-respecting barbarian and his horse would be long gone by the time a T-28 managed to waddle into range.

I think it's time for a reality check on the T-28.

Its key specs are as follows:

Weight (combat ready): 86,000 kg (95 tons)
Length: 11.13 metres (36' 6")
Width: 4.39 metres (14' 5")
Height: 2.84 metres (9' 4")
Crew: 8 (Commander, Driver, Co-driver, and 5 man gun crew)

1 x 105mm high-velocity gun
1 x .50 Browning MG
Maximum Armour: ~300 mm (11.7")
Minimum Armour: 51 mm (2")

Engine: 410 HP
Specific power: 4.3 HP / ton
Speed: 13 kph (8 mph)
Maximum fording depth: 1.2 meters (47”)

I'm guessing that at 1000 metres its gun could penetrate any armor on a Tiger II or Jagdpanther. That would make it a potent weapon for killing enemy tanks as well as smashing any concrete fortifications . . . . if it managed to get into position.

With a specific power of 4 HP / ton, the T-28 was underpowered beyond belief. By comparison, the M1A1 has a specific power of ~25 HP / ton. The T-28 had about the same performance as one would get by putting the engine from a ride-on lawnmower into a large car. . . . pitiful. Any decent tank would have little difficulty running rings around a T-28 and putting a shot or two up its tail feathers. Ground attack aircraft would find it to be a delightfully slow moving target.

WW2 US Army equipment such as tank transporters, bridging equipment and recovery vehicles were generally designed for vehicles weighing 40 tons or less, completely useless for 95 ton tanks. Unless there was a handy RR bridge or major highway bridge I don't know how one would get a T-28 across even a small and not particularly deep river. Bridges on secondary roads are not designed to carry 95 tons. Neither, for that matter, are secondary roads. In brief, the monster would have caused immense logistical headaches, not to mention the interesting problem of how to retrieve a 95 ton T-28 that was stuck in soft ground or had a damaged power train. IIRC, that was why the US Army was more than somewhat reluctant to adopt the 42 ton M-26 towards the end of the war. Didn't the Germans have to solve such problems by using 3 other Tigers to tow a damaged one?

Given a choice, I'm with you. Let's go with the Barbarians!

	09-01-2005 01:27									#216
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of course it's underpowered, why do you think it only moves at 8mph,

	09-01-2005 01:32									#217
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Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

	09-01-2005 01:37									#218
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no problem,
i still can't get the unit to look right

	09-01-2005 02:05									#219
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quote: Originally posted by AGRICOLA @CapTVK I think that I may have found an explanation for the lime green T-28 ( I think that it is actually closer to chickens*** yellow). Unless I'm very badly mistaken, it was taken from the following website: http://gunpoint-3d.com/model-T28.html The site also has 8 excellent views of the T-28 model as it is rotated in 45° increments, just perfect for CIV3. There are good pictures of the last surviving monster at: http://www.military.cz/panzer/index_en1.htm Just follow Tanks > USA > T-28 and enjoy the music.

Whistles... Very informative site, I must make a note of that. Their models are quite a piece of work.

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and then there was the Panzerkampfwagen Maus.
which was 188 tons!
http://www.military.cz/panzer/index_en.htm

	09-01-2005 07:32									#221
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Hey Harry, I had a thought that might make the events.txt writing go a little bit smoother. Perhaps you could enlist some writers from the forum to write events generated text lines like Curt did when he was producing Kaiser. You would of course choose the subject of the text and simply commision the various forum members to compose the text in full. Just a thought to save you some time

Hmmmmm, well, I haven't worked out the details to the story yet, so that will have to wait. Though, in the meantime, I do need some artwork done. Some city view ideas and graphics would be nice.

	09-01-2005 11:16									#222
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Some city view idea's and graphics eh? What exactly did you have in mind along those idea's Harry?

	09-01-2005 11:48									#223
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Some city view idea's and graphics eh? What exactly did you have in mind along those idea's Harry?

Well, remember how in AE I I had the windows of Civ2 done up in a nice dark skull motif? And how Catfish has worked on some nice city view screens with nice crisp windows and graphics? That's what I mean.

This time a nice dark American theme would be good. No skulls though.

	10-01-2005 00:03									#224
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quote: Hey Harry, I had a thought that might make the events.txt writing go a little bit smoother. Perhaps you could enlist some writers from the forum to write events generated text lines like Curt did when he was producing Kaiser.

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with this. One of the best things about the first AE was the quality of writing that went into the events, especially in the first part of the scenario. The writing grabbed me like in no other scenario; I really did feel caught up in this nightmarish world. It superbly evoked the atmosphere of troublesome times ahead.

I'm not saying that there aren't many fine writers in the SLeague, but this is Harry's baby and I think he's best able to describe what this world is like. Therefore I'd like to see Harry do all the writing.

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quote: Originally posted by our_man I'm not saying that there aren't many fine writers in the SLeague, but this is Harry's baby and I think he's best able to describe what this world is like. Therefore I'd like to see Harry do all the writing.

Fully agree on this!

	11-01-2005 00:35									#226
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Ah well, t'was just a suggestion.

	11-01-2005 03:04									#227
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Ah well, t'was just a suggestion.

And not a bad one, mind you!

But Harry's writing has that definite something...

	11-01-2005 21:32									#228
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Here are some trucks with machineguns, ( Partisans Mabie?)
They are nothing special but you are free to use them if you want. I didn't include the blue one beacause it looks cartoonish and sloppy,

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	12-01-2005 00:27									#229
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Those actually look pretty good Erika. I'll think about it.

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In case you guys were wondering I've been a bit busy and a bit tired lately to work on the scenario much. I've been hashing out the stroyline in my head though, so at least the story is coming along.

	14-01-2005 08:00									#231
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On that note, does anyone know of any restrictions on the ToT avi movie format? How big can it be screenwise?

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Harry, for the calibre of story your dealing with here by all means feel free to take as long as you wish!! Given the chance, I guarentee you this would make a great suspense thriller of a movie one day. If not a movie, at least an exciting trillogy of novels.

Atomic Eagle... Volume One: The Hand of the Reaper, Volume Two: The Price of Freedom, Volume Three..???.

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	15-01-2005 04:01									#233
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Here's an idea I just had while watching an old sci-fi movie from 1957 called "Kronos" about a gigantic maurading robot. Now this idea may be just plain ridiculous and most likley is in fact ridiculous, but imagine German robot units.

I don't mean sleek android's or cyborg's, I mean the stainless steel box robots from the 1950's best science fiction movies. Got from "The Day the Earth Stood Still", Robbie the Robot from "Forbiden Planet", a machine along those lines.

Now I realize such technology for "fighting robots" doesn't exist in any form today let alone five decades ago, but I thought it might make for an interesting scenario featuring undead soliders and rocket pack commando's.

	15-01-2005 07:00									#234
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GawDaingit, this is starting sound like the G-8 scenario I wanted to make onceuponatime. And, who or what is G-8, you ask? Only one of the coolest heroes of 1930's pulp fiction; the star of what must surely be the weirdest war adventure stories ever told!

G-8 was a flying ace/spy in WWI, whose arch-rival, Herr Doktor Krueger was a mad scientist whose bizarre weapons and creations sent to confound G-8 and his buddies included:

robot soldiers
armies of walking skeletons and armies of re-animated zombies (perennial G-8 enemies)
an invisible plane
panther-men
vikings thawed from blocks of ice (!)
giant magnets attracting planes
and my favorite weird weapon:
a giant plane-crushing fist in the clouds

Here's a nice web page about the pulp:

The Hero Pulps: G-8 and his Battle Aces

	15-01-2005 07:56									#235
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Have a unit compilation, i hope some of the units are useful,

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	15-01-2005 08:51									#236
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Thanks guys. and girl I'll think about what neat units I can put into the scenario in a bit. Right now, at least tonight, I've been writing the full fledged story behind the scenario. Here's a tidbit of the backstory...

"Historians of the late 20th century surmise that the real turning point in the war was not any great battle or overall strategy. Rather it was the simple clotting effect of blood, brought on by a dislodging of scar tissue near the main artery supplying blood to Adolf Hitler's brain. It was this random occurance that cut off the oxygen to the cortex, leading to a rather public stroke in front of his thousands of his loyal followers at a political rally in Berlin.

The death of Hitler, on September 5, 1941, should have been a death blow to the German High Command and would have halted the advance into Russia if it were not for the actions by one Erwin Rommel. Rommel's decision to appoint a surbordinate, a man that can only, to this day, be named by his code name: "Hand of the Reaper", and leave North Africa has been greatly debated. Rommel was viewed by most major sources as a general first and a political animal second. The decisions that he made almost immediately following Hitlers death have led some to believe that he either was waiting for the right chance to play his hand or that he, or some unknown group, had advanced knowledge of Hitler's death. Such "outlandish" theories have largely been ignored by the historical community..."

	15-01-2005 15:53									#237
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Ripping stuff!

It's true that Rommel would make a great villain in the 'Atomic Eagle' movie!

Y'know, as a young whelp, I used to ask my grandmother about the WW2 era,
since she had lived through the Blitz, etc.

She told me that she thought Hitler was a consumate scumbag;
But many considered Rommel a gentleman general.
My grandfather (who fought in North Africa) had a grudging respect for the desert fox.
It seemed to be known even back then that old Erwin was
imperial 'old school', and contemptous of the new nazi thugs.

That's history, eh? :bounc:

As a footnote, my grandmother once told me that she
and her fellow girlie workers (in 1945) heard about
the jet aircraft, but no-one could believe a plane could
move without a prop-engine!



I just wonder how those munition worker gals would react to the 'Hand of the Reaper'!

	15-01-2005 21:58									#238
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I agree, Rommel was a great general, he knew when to give up, like when the americans landed in north africa, rommel told hitler that the war in north africa was lost and asked if he could pull the afrika korps out and retreat to italy, hitler told him to stand and fight, even though he was horribly outnumbered.

	15-01-2005 22:13									#239
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Rommel was forced to commit suicide after being implicated in the plot to kill Hitler.

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...enter the ominous "unknown group" from stage left...