09-12-2004 22:02									#91
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LOL, according to the CNN headline news crawler, butane lighters are now banned from U.S. flights because of the intelligence reform bill.

	09-12-2004 22:53									#92
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun We could just do away with the separate Social Security card then, and simply have our Social Security number on the new National ID card.

Some of the ids I have to have coudn't be combined but it would be nice to get some of them combined. My military and the id i use to get into work on post couldn't be combined. But it would be nice to combine some of the others..

	09-12-2004 23:08									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Big I never carry my SSN on my person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you realize that people can steal your idenitity if you lose your wallet, right?

I've never lost my wallet.


Only careless people lose their wallet.

	10-12-2004 00:12									#94
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The problem won't be the government, but private institutions demanding to use it.

	10-12-2004 00:59									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon The problem won't be the government, but private institutions demanding to use it.

And this is different than a drivers license or credit card how?

Face it, most of us already have some form of an ID. Setting a standard, and making it as fool proof as possible is a plus. If you want to play chicken little and scream how it's the next step to becoming a police state, you obviously have no clue what's already in place with the ID's you are currently carrying and how this will have very little additional effect. And if you don't carry some type of ID like this already, you are either too young, or you are a criminal... so why should I care

But oh please... whine like stuck pigs, make up crap, announce that America is a police state... say what you want... your act is getting old

	10-12-2004 01:43									#96
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National ID means that the government implants a tracker chip in your wallet, that makes the laser turrets recognize you. Otherwise, you'll get killed, so don't walk around the streets without them. Like the other day, I was walking in the street, and somone dropped their wallet, and then a black helicopter that flew above killed him.

	10-12-2004 01:57									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Ming But oh please... whine like stuck pigs, make up crap, announce that America is a police state... say what you want... your act is getting old

	10-12-2004 02:38									#98
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I don't see why you sofites are always complaining about police states- I played a lot of SMAC, which makes me an expert on police states, yes, and it taught me that people are generally happier in police states. So stop naysaying and enjoy the extra security from the terrorists under your bed!

	10-12-2004 02:40									#99
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I think Ming and others are getting tired of this, "The sky is falling!" melodrama over something like a new plastic card.

	10-12-2004 02:42									#100
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quote: I think Ming and others are getting tired of this, "The sky is falling!" melodrama over something like a new plastic card

or a simple stupid bio chip beneath your skin

	10-12-2004 02:44									#101
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Btw, a question about putting this into place, would a national ID card be unconstitutional? I mean it couldn't fall under the Commerce Clause, for instance. The only reason everyone gets a SS Number is in order to distribute benefits to those people when they become of age. Though now I wonder what the legal argument was for SS.

	10-12-2004 02:48									#102
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I'm shocked that a libertarian is worried about a new plastic card.









No really -- I'm sincerely shocked.

	10-12-2004 02:56									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa or a simple stupid bio chip beneath your skin

Now THAT would be a problem in my book... I'm not that conservative

	10-12-2004 02:58									#104
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Funny, I'm a liberal, and I'm not that concerned about any new national ID card.

Maybe this issue is just not as strictly divided along political ideology, as some other issues are.

	10-12-2004 03:07									#105
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You don't have a problem with it, Ming doesn't have a problem with it. That's fine. Others do. Why act like you've got a problem with those who have a different opinion to you (Apart from the fact this is Apolyton)? And yes, insulting people who don't like where this is going does actually, calling them melodramatic does constiute "having a problem with them".

	10-12-2004 03:09									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie You don't have a problem with it, Ming doesn't have a problem with it. That's fine. Others do. Why act like you've got a problem with those who have a different opinion to you (Apart from the fact this is Apolyton)? And yes, insulting people who don't like where this is going does actually, calling them melodramatic does constiute "having a problem with them".

You mean people cannot take teasing or trolling?

	10-12-2004 03:23									#107
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I think teasing or trolling people for having a valid opinion is a bit stupid, yes. The stuff linked to in the opening post- THAT may be worthy of derision, but not every poster who is a bit concered over what a National ID cards may lead to.

	10-12-2004 03:30									#108
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ligthen up

	10-12-2004 03:35									#109
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no, YOU lighten up. zing lolololol im so funny!!!!!

	10-12-2004 03:35									#110
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"Now THAT would be a problem in my book... I'm not that conservative "

Let's remember this one for the future.

	10-12-2004 03:37									#111
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quote: I've never lost my wallet. Only careless people lose their wallet.

I've never been mugged, but that doesn't make me any less wary of the possibility that my wallet might be taken.

I'm not afraid of the national ID card, personally. I'm not convinced that there are any real benefits to it, though--especially since I'm fairly convinced that it might actually make identity theft easier.

	10-12-2004 03:40									#112
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Let's see... people are calling America a police/nazi state because of a national ID card... hmmm... seems like trolling to me... so if they can dish it out, I hope they can take it back... Fair is Fair

	10-12-2004 03:47									#113
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I have SSN card with my picture on it. Works as an ID card in Finland if I want to. I have my drivers license, that works as an valid ID everywhere in the world, also in the US as it's been tested. It's those EU licenses, so it's a standard ID and easily recognizable all around the wolrd.

I have my passport, which is good ID, but I don't need it anywhere really, except to get into the US.

The fact is, I'm filled with IDs. But I don't carry them around, except my drivers license. It's a standard ID. We don't need a new ID, that's just good enough. And if I happen to lose it, no one can steal my identity. I just call up and say I got my license lost. Plus that person has to pass as me wiht my pic in it. The worst thing you can do is lose your credit card and not 'freeze' it right away, becuase they don't check your ID everywhere if the purchase is small enough, meaning you can ride it for some time, unless you disable it, which you should do right when you see it's lost.

And I don't HAVE to carry ANY ID with me. That's not the law in here. I can go where I want without my ID. Cops come and ask, I just say, I don't have my ID with me. That's not a crime.

Besides, you don't get stopped by the cops in here unless you screw up in traffic or something like that.

	10-12-2004 04:35									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie I think teasing or trolling people for having a valid opinion is a bit stupid, yes. The stuff linked to in the opening post- THAT may be worthy of derision, but not every poster who is a bit concered over what a National ID cards may lead to.

Okay, I'm not against the national ID card in the US, and I see your viewpoint that the technology could be used improperly in the future. But don't you think your comment about society becoming the police state in SMAC was a bit melodramatic?

Could someone please explain how having a national ID is a threat to civil liberties or puts you at risk of identity theft. These documents will include biometric template that will positively identify the individual.

	10-12-2004 05:20									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Let's see... people are calling America a police/nazi state because of a national ID card... hmmm... seems like trolling to me... so if they can dish it out, I hope they can take it back... Fair is Fair

it's hopless, Ming