10-12-2004 05:43									#31
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I'm sure if Washington doesn't build it, someone else will. That is, after all, why Washington has an option of getting the team, Montreal wouldn't build a new stadium.

After all, most owners buy the team, not the stadium. They can just move the team to an area it would be more profitable (ie, with a good stadium).

	10-12-2004 05:53									#32
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That's right. Like I said, I think the mayor has a good and sophisticated argument about why it makes eminently good business sense for Washington to have a publicly-funded stadium whereas a traditional economic analysis for other cities will invariably say publicly-funded stadiums are money losers. This is a town that thrives on tourism and if you can encourage tourists to stay just a little longer, it is hugely profitable for the city. New York is probably the only other city in the US with a similar cluster of things to do that attracts a lot of tourism dollars (broadway, shopping, museums, skyscrapers, Ellis Island, etc.).

	10-12-2004 07:58									#33
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Re: Womack
2 Million is chump change for the Yankees plus I don't think they looking for a great 2nd baseman. They want someone to fill the hole. Their money is going after Beltran and Pitching. I think Womack offers more speed and a slightly better glove than Cairo, I could be wrong considering that last season was the first year Cairo has had full time responsibilities since he played for the DRays, So I don't know too much about him.

	10-12-2004 08:39									#34
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LoA - For all intents and purposes Randy Johnson is the BEST pitcher in baseball. The only reason he didn't win the Cy last year was because the DBacks sucked. Even if he only stays good for 2 years, I can't see how picking him up is bad for the Yankees. He pitched a freakin' perfect game last season, lead the majors in KOs, and had a 2.7 ERA. The Yanks would be crazy not to sign him, especially with the money they have to throw around. Signing Randy is most definitely NOT getting screwed over.

	10-12-2004 11:28									#35
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quote: LoA - For all intents and purposes Randy Johnson is the BEST pitcher in baseball. The only reason he didn't win the Cy last year was because the DBacks sucked. Even if he only stays good for 2 years, I can't see how picking him up is bad for the Yankees. He pitched a freakin' perfect game last season, lead the majors in KOs, and had a 2.7 ERA. The Yanks would be crazy not to sign him, especially with the money they have to throw around. Signing Randy is most definitely NOT getting screwed over.

dbacks dont want they money, they want prospects and young players, and they want a lot of them from the yanks (vazquez, $4million, a minor league 3B, flash gordon, and a PTBAL. thats not worth two years if the yanks are smart. you consume less now to have more tomorrow.

	10-12-2004 11:33									#36
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But the Yankees have a seemingly limitless amount of money to pay free agents with. They don't care about prospects, they care about winning now. They can buy the players from other teams once they become good. The rest of the league is essentially the Yankee farm system.

	10-12-2004 18:39									#37
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And that's the attitude that has gotten the Yankees into trouble recently. Their great late 90s team was a large part built from within. When Steinny started getting involved and buying every big name, they haven't won it since.

	10-12-2004 19:02									#38
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Julio Franco, 46, signs a 1-year, $1 million contract with the Braves. 46.. Damn! I think the fact that this guy is still a viable major-leaguer at 46 is more impressive than some of the steroid-enhanced feats we've seen from other players recently. I can see the endorsements lining up for him: Geritol, BenGay, Viagra, Ensure, Depends...

I have a 1973 Phillies yearbook that has a picture of a 15-year-old Julio Franco playing shortstop under the section titled "Phillies of the Future". Well, the most he played for the Phils was in a few September callups until he was traded to Indians in '83 for the immortal Von Hayes..

31 years in professional ball. Amazing.

	10-12-2004 19:07									#39
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quote: Originally posted by DanS That's right. Like I said, I think the mayor has a good and sophisticated argument about why it makes eminently good business sense for Washington to have a publicly-funded stadium whereas a traditional economic analysis for other cities will invariably say publicly-funded stadiums are money losers. This is a town that thrives on tourism and if you can encourage tourists to stay just a little longer, it is hugely profitable for the city. New York is probably the only other city in the US with a similar cluster of things to do that attracts a lot of tourism dollars (broadway, shopping, museums, skyscrapers, Ellis Island, etc.).

Its going to take a lot of spin to get people to focus on that argument as opposed to 'stadium money vs. money for schools' or 'stadium money vs. money for more police and firemen'...

	10-12-2004 19:14									#40
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If Julio Franco was 15 in 1973, the Phillies were in violation of child labor laws. If he was 18, that means he's actually 49 by now.

bfg, what makes you think Franco is drug-free?

Latin America is where all the good body enhancement drugs are easy to get. Just ask Sosa...

	10-12-2004 19:23									#41
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Yeah, there may be something fishy about Franco.

And -JRabbit, he could have been 15 in '73, but lied about his age back then. That has definitely been known to happen with Latin players.

	10-12-2004 19:29									#42
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I dont care whether they all have constant infusions of the latest designer drugs. The thing that bugs me about the Bonds-drug issue is his bullshit comment that he didnt know what he was taking. Talk about implausible deniability!

"Yeah, this anti wrinkle cream and vitamines are really great. Its just coincidence that I've put on 20lbs of muscle."

*******

Yesterday after finishing my leg workout I had some (obviously steroid taking) ex-jock comment that I should get off Bonds back, that using steroids didnt effect his hand-eye coordination, and that he would have hit those homers anyway.

I didnt point out the obvious fallacies with his comments. What do you expect from a drug abuser anyway?

	10-12-2004 19:39									#43
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit If Julio Franco was 15 in 1973, the Phillies were in violation of child labor laws. If he was 18, that means he's actually 49 by now. bfg, what makes you think Franco is drug-free? Latin America is where all the good body enhancement drugs are easy to get. Just ask Sosa...

There were probably no child-labor laws in Dominican Republic in 1973.. He had signed some sort of promise to play for Phillies but was still actually in D.R. playing Latin ball.

I dont know if he is drug free, that's true.. He doesnt appear to be juiced but I suppose he could be taking something else that hasnt been detected.. Or he could just have excellent genetics..

	10-12-2004 19:40									#44
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While steroids don't effect hand-eye coordination... I just laugh at some of the Sammy at bats last year... He would stand at the plate thinking he had hit a homer, but his now non juiced up body just couldn't hit them as far, and they were now just long fly ball outs...

I think Bonds would still hit for percentage, and hit a lot of homers... but you wonder how many might have just been long outs instead of dingers

	10-12-2004 19:42									#45
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I think Washington could sell public funding of a stadium better if the MLB and the team agreed to a team reorganization that creates a board of directors with one or more seats given to publicly elected officials who influence team decisions with the public interest in mind... Something like that is needed to prevent arrogant sports owners from holding cities hostage by threatening to move a team out of town if they dont get state and/or municipal money for a stadium..

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	10-12-2004 20:30									#46
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quote: I think Washington could sell public funding of a stadium better if the MLB and the team agreed to a team reorganization that creates a board of directors with one or more seats given to publicly elected officials who influence team decisions with the public interest in mind...

Fvck that! These jokers (minus the mayor) are the same people who nearly bankrupted the city ten years ago. These people run for office for the fat paychecks and good bennies.

Anyway, the mayor has won the debate. The stadium will be built under the agreement signed with MLB. The majority of the public is against the plan, but it's already the mayor's fait accompli.

	10-12-2004 20:36									#47
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Tony Womack?!?! Useless. Cairo was fine last year.

Letting Lieber go may have been a mistake. He was quite good.

In general, the Yanks are in serious trouble. They'll still compete, sure, but their decision-making has been more & more desperate each year, and that does hurt them, no matter how much money they have. Other teams have gotten smarter (Boston sure has), too.

-Arrian, preparing for a mini-dark age

	10-12-2004 20:39									#48
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quote: I think Washington could sell public funding of a stadium better if the MLB and the team agreed to a team reorganization that creates a board of directors with one or more seats given to publicly elected officials who influence team decisions with the public interest in mind... Something like that is needed to prevent arrogant sports owners from holding cities hostage by threatening to move a team out of town if they dont get state and/or municipal money for a stadium..

Fvck that indeed! The owners buy the team. If the city will not provide them with adequate facilities, it should be their right to move the team to somwhere that will provide that. Public interest be damned, it's a business, son.

	10-12-2004 20:56									#49
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That goes both ways. If it doesn't make good business sense for the city, then the city should send the team packing.

	10-12-2004 21:17									#50
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quote: Originally posted by DanS That goes both ways. If it doesn't make good business sense for the city, then the city should send the team packing.

What politicians would be brave enough to send a team packing and risk having angry sports fans vote them out of office...

	10-12-2004 21:23									#51
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There's a track record of doing just that in Washington. Don't act so incredulous.

(Btw, it might have been smart not to have baseball in Washington for such a long time. The city of today might benefit on a net basis, but the city of yesterday may not have.)

	10-12-2004 23:10									#52
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RED SOX SIGN PEDRO, RED SOX SIGN PEDRO, 3 YEARS, $40 Million.

YES YES YES YES YES

	10-12-2004 23:37									#53
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PHEW!

That's a relief!

-Arrian

	10-12-2004 23:39									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia RED SOX SIGN PEDRO, RED SOX SIGN PEDRO, 3 YEARS, $40 Million. YES YES YES YES YES

I dont believe it. Link?

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Oh, and one more thing:

Jaret Wright? Jared ****ing Wright??

We do not employ Leo Mazzone. Therefore, Jaret Wright will go back to being Jaret Wright. ****ing hell.

-Arrian

	11-12-2004 00:34									#56
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Good move by BoSox :

quote: BOSTON -- For all of the attention being paid to the future of stars Jason Varitek and Pedro Martinez, the Red Sox continue to show they are not losing sight of the big picture. Getting a head start on the upcoming Winter Meetings in Anaheim, General Manager Theo Epstein Wednesday night announced the signing of hard-throwing right-handed reliever Matt Mantei. In addition to filling needs at catcher, shortstop and the front end of the starting rotation, Epstein had identified a need to strengthen the back end of the bullpen. Wednesday's agreement with the 31-year-old veteran would appear to fit that bill. The right-hander, who has added a curve and slider to a mid-90s fastball, assumed the role of Arizona's closer immediately after the May 2003 trade of Byung-Hyun Kim to Boston for Shea Hillenbrand. The reliever responded to the challenge with a 5-4 record, along with a 2.62 ERA to go along with 29 saves in 50 appearances for the Diamondbacks. Tendinitis in his right shoulder limited Mantei to just 12 games in 2004. He posted an 0-3 record with an 11.81 ERA. Mantei is still regarded as one of the premiere strikeout relievers in the game, maintaining an impressive 10.97 strikeout per nine innings ratio. Complete coverage > Mantei made the trip to Boston Wednesday night for a physical and was officially welcomed aboard after passing the exam. Mantei becomes the first new member of a team that won its sixth world championship in October. The Red Sox were in the market for a reliever after declining to offer free agents Scott Williamson, Curtis Leskanic and Ramiro Mendoza arbitration. Lefty reliever Mike Myers also filed for free agency but was offered arbitration Tuesday. Overall, Mantei is 13-18 with 93 saves and a 3.86 ERA in 10 Major League seasons between Florida and Arizona.

	11-12-2004 00:53									#57
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link for pedro

www.bostondirtdogs.com

	11-12-2004 01:01									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia link for pedro www.bostondirtdogs.com

Wow. Look at that picture of him. He's got the ugliest kid in the world!

The deal is not done yet

	11-12-2004 03:54									#59
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Apparenly ESPN is reporting that David Wells is signing with the Red Sox. Hahah... another stick in the Yanks' eye. You don't think Yankee fans want Boomer back?

	12-12-2004 19:04									#60
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Looks like Pavano is going to the Yankees at only 39M for 4 years. It's not final yet, heres to hoping he doesn't meet his potential as a yank.

Gammons is saying Renteria will be a Red Sock, which will probably send Cabrera to the Cards Renteria > Cabrera Good news if it ends up being the case.