13-12-2004 00:23									#61
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It seems the Tim Hudson may be getting dealt to the Dodgers for Edwin Jackson and Antonio Perez, both prize young prospects for the Dodgers (especially Jackson, who looks like he'll be a stud).

The Dodgers look DANGEROUS for next year.

	15-12-2004 10:31									#62
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1946536

quote: WASHINGTON -- Baseball's plan to move the Expos to Washington might come apart after the District of Columbia Council voted Tuesday night to require private financing for at least half the cost of a new ballpark. After an 11½-hour session filled with contentious debate, the council voted 7-6 to approve legislation to finance construction of a ballpark. But the bill contained an amendment on private financing, a provision not contained in the September agreement between the Expos and Washington Mayor Anthony A. Williams. "We will review the amendments and the legislation as passed and have a response tomorrow," said Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer. If the law stands, baseball's likely response is to have the team play the 2005 season at Washington's RFK Stadium, where it would be known as the Nationals, while the commissioner's office reopens the search for a permanent home for the franchise. The Expos were bought by the other 29 teams before the 2002 season. Council Chair Linda Cropp offered the private financing provision, saying it would be crucial for her support. She was considered the swing vote on the 13-member council. Cropp said she was not satisfied with concessions offered by baseball that would have made the deal more financially palatable for the city. "I have not seen the movement from Major League Baseball that I would have liked in the past two weeks," Cropp said. "My dream of dreams is that we will get enough private financing that the costs of building the stadium will be eliminated."

Yikes! Could Washington blow it?

	15-12-2004 10:32									#63
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Oh, in transactional news... Pedro signs with the Mets. Sexson is close to the M's. And I've heard reports that Koskie will sign with the Jays.

The Angels have pulled out of the Clement stakes as well, for what I've heard.

	15-12-2004 11:45									#64
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NOOOO PEDRO SIGNS WITH METS. what a greedy jerk. now he'll lose all his games. i bet ortiz is feeling real good right now.

and no renteria isnt better than cabrera, cabrera is the best SS in the AL at this point, and is also better than renteria.

	15-12-2004 11:46									#65
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quote: NOOOO PEDRO SIGNS WITH METS. what a greedy jerk. now he'll lose all his games.

I love how LoA is such a homer. He'll be undefeated with is teams and he'll lose all his games with others .

quote: and no renteria isnt better than cabrera, cabrera is the best SS in the AL at this point, and is also better than renteria.

And it gets even better!

If the Sox get Renteria, I expect the exact opposite statement.

	15-12-2004 12:10									#66
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Cropp blew it. The deal is dead.

	15-12-2004 12:39									#67
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So are the Expos really not going to Washington? This would be quite a twist.

Brewers get Carlos Lee from the ChiSox, W00TAGE!

	15-12-2004 12:59									#68
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quote: And it gets even better! If the Sox get Renteria, I expect the exact opposite statement.

that wont happen. I think this year will be a rebuilding year of sorts for the sox. they wont blow it all trying to get the world series this year. heres how they should be positioned for next year

2006 Red Sox

Starters:
1. Santana
2. Schilling
3. Clement
4. Arroyo
5. Papelbon*? Lester*? Wells?

Lineup:
1. Johnny Damon (CF)
2. Orlando Cabrera (SS)
3. David Ortiz (DH)
4. Manny Ramirez (LF)
5. Trot Nixon (RF)
6. Doug Mintkieviecz (1B)
7. Kevin Youkilis (3B)
8. Hanley Ramirez (2B)*
9. Kelly Shoppach (C)*

*= currently in the minors

	15-12-2004 13:21									#69
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quote: So are the Expos really not going to Washington? This would be quite a twist.

They'll have them for a year in RFK probably.

quote: heres how they should be positioned for next year

Santana

And they gotta resign Cabrera first... probably have an equal chance at Renteria. And Hell, they almost dealt Manny to the Mets a week back.. they'll probably deal him before 2006.

	15-12-2004 19:07									#70
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You gotta love LoA. At least he's consistently wacko.

Kindla like Steinbrenner, actually

...

WTF is up with the Expos situation? This is ridiculous.

-Arrian

	15-12-2004 19:40									#71
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I would love to see the Expos move to Las Vegas after being stuck a year in RFK. Vegas deserves a real sports team, and they would have to show more support than Washington has for past teams

	15-12-2004 21:39									#72
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Angels sign P Paul Byrd to 1-year $5 million contract.

The Phils rescued this guy from the scrap heap several years back and got lucky when this guy had the best year of his career for them, winning 15 or 16. He has never approached that since. Phils cut him loose the following year after he became afraid to throw inside to anyone after unintentionally beaning Javi Lopez in a game and incurring Javi's wrath. Byrd has a 60-53 big league record with a 4.33 ERA in 215 games. And that is worth $5 mil? Incredible.

	15-12-2004 21:50									#73
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It looks like the Angels' new owner is kind of a mini-Steinbrenner. He thinks throwing money at free agents will get him over the top. Vlad wasn't a bad idea, but Paul Byrd...

Jaret Wright... Paul Byrd...

Talk about overpaying for crap pitchers. And then there's the contract Pedro got from the Mets... Pedro's certainly not crap, but neither is elite anymore. He can still be brilliant (if given extra rest), of course, but you don't pay what they paid for that.

-Arrian

	15-12-2004 22:13									#74
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Yeah... brilliant move signing Pedro to a 4 year contract... I hope they get their monies worth in year 4, because they will be paying him even if he can't raise his arm anymore

	15-12-2004 22:14									#75
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Theres a rumor that Phils are trying to get Kent Mercker from Cubs

	15-12-2004 22:18									#76
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I think they just bought a guy who will make ~25-30 starts per year, on extra rest as much as possible (that's what the Sox did, anyway), and have an ERA around 3 (National League, and I don't think he's declined as much as last year's ERA would seem to indicate). 6 innings, maybe 7, per start.

If they do that, they can eek several years out of him, I think. If not, he will most likely suffer serious injury. I don't think the Mets - or Pedro for that matter - are really that stupid, though.

In any event, that's a valueable pitcher right there. #2 or #3 in the rotation... and come playoff time (if the Mets even make the playoffs!), he's extra valueable because he can reach back and produce flashes of true brilliance. But they still overpaid, in money and years.

-Arrian

	15-12-2004 23:36									#77
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Red Sox have apparently signed Renteria (which always sounds like a venereal disease to me) - 4 years $40 million.

Cue LoA....


Edit: spelling

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	15-12-2004 23:38									#78
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Boston Globe is saying Renteria signed a 4 year 40 million dollar deal with the Sox. Your 0 for 3 now LoA.

Edit: Damn I was beat to the punch.

	15-12-2004 23:39									#79
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Theres a rumor that Phils are trying to get Kent Mercker from Cubs

I've seen Chris Hammond and David Weathers mentioned also. Chances are they won't do anything until after the 12/20 non-tender deadline.

	16-12-2004 00:49									#80
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Renteria is a damn good player - one of the elite SS's in the game. He's been better than Nomar for a while now, at any rate

Good signing by the Sox. Theo knows what he's doing, LoA, appreciate it!

-Arrian

	16-12-2004 01:49									#81
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I heard the Nationals just cancelled their uniform unveiling ceremony today, uh-oh....

	16-12-2004 02:27									#82
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What a cluster****!

-Arrian

	16-12-2004 02:29									#83
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what a bad thing to wake up to in the morning i hope he fails his physical

	16-12-2004 02:49									#84
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Who? Pedro or Renteria? Either way, you're nuts.

Losing Pedro may actually end up being a positive thing for the Sox.

Adding Renteria is DEFINITELY a positive thing for the Sox. He's an excellent player. I'm not sure if he's worth $10 million/yr., but in comparison to certain other SS's I can think of *coughJetercough* it looks pretty good.

-Arrian

	16-12-2004 03:36									#85
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quote: The Phils rescued this guy from the scrap heap several years back and got lucky when this guy had the best year of his career for them, winning 15 or 16. He has never approached that since.

Not true.

His BEST year was in 2002 with Kansas City when he went 17-11 with a career low ERA of 3.90.

http://www.baseballreference.com/b/byrdpa01.shtml

He seems to be a decent pitcher when healthy, but healthy is the key word.

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And Loa... HAHAHA! TOLD YOU! I win again!

And Renteria is head and shoulders above Cabrera. One of the best SS in the league.

	16-12-2004 05:11									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Who? Pedro or Renteria? Either way, you're nuts. Losing Pedro may actually end up being a positive thing for the Sox. Adding Renteria is DEFINITELY a positive thing for the Sox. He's an excellent player. I'm not sure if he's worth $10 million/yr., but in comparison to certain other SS's I can think of *coughJetercough* it looks pretty good. -Arrian

renteria. cabrera is twice the baller that renteria is. cabrera woulda been a .300 hitter in fenway, with 50 doubles, a perfect number 2 hitter to have infront of ortiz, and would get lots of fastballs to hit (hes a fastball hitter)

cabrera showed up to play in the playoffs, while what i saw of renteria was nothing but negatives. no big hits, no big defensive plays. cabrera was clutch on both sides of the ball.

	16-12-2004 05:23									#87
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06 roster, revised

Starters:
1. Santana
2. Schilling
3. Clement
4. Arroyo
5. Papelbon*? Lester*? Wells?

Lineup:
1. Johnny Damon (CF)
2. Edgar "Everyone knows Cabrera's bettah" Renteria (SS)
3. David Ortiz (DH)
4. Manny Ramirez (LF)
5. Trot Nixon (RF)
6. Doug Mintkieviecz (1B)
7. Kevin Youkilis (3B)
8. Hanley Ramirez (2B)*
9. Kelly Shoppach (C)*

*= currently in the minors

	16-12-2004 05:25									#88
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All that I'll say on Renteria/Cabrera:

http://www.baseballreference.com/c/cabreor01.shtml

http://www.baseballreference.com/r/renteed01.shtml

Especially check out the stats for last year's World Series:

Cabrera: .235/.381/.294
Renteria: .333/.412/.533

And in All Star Games:

Cabrera: 0
Renteria: 4

And interestingly enough, Renteria is YOUNGER than Cabrera.

quote: Pedro's certainly not crap, but neither is elite anymore. He can still be brilliant (if given extra rest), of course, but you don't pay what they paid for that.

Well, the Mets will be making money on Pedro. I'm sure that his jersey will be flying off the shelves and perhaps the Mets can attract new Latin fans with Pedro, who knows? Sometimes you have to pay a little more.

	16-12-2004 05:42									#89
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heres all i gotta say about renteria/cabrera

cabrera played all 162 games
cabrera had 11 RBIs in the postseason
cabrera batted over .300 with the sox
cabrera turned more double plays
cabrera had a higher FP
cabrera had higher OBP after park adjustment
cabrera had higher SLUG after park adjustment.

	16-12-2004 05:44									#90
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and you know all star games dont mean anything. no one knew how good cabrera was until he came to the sox.