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Atahualpa is offline Atahualpa
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It seems that Apple is on the same path as MS. I am sure I won't be getting an iPod after this.
What's that for a company denying people the option to purchase where they want.
It was bad enough that they wouldn't give anybody the chance to download iPod compatible music, but now that a company made it and sold millions of songs, Apple betrayed its users. It can still be justified of course, but I don't think this is user friendly anymore.

If they continue like this we may have Yet Another Microsoft. I've always supported Apple and its products, but at some point you have to say: NO!

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Apple fights RealNetworks' 'hacker tactics'
Published: December 14, 2004, 10:27 AM PST
By John Borland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Apple Computer has quietly updated its iPod software so that songs purchased from RealNetworks' online music store will no longer play on some of the Mac maker's popular MP3 players.

The move could render tunes purchased by many iPod owners unplayable on their music players. For the last four months, RealNetworks has marketed its music store as the only Apple rival compatible with the iPod, following the company's discovery of a way to let its customers play their downloaded tunes on Apple's MP3 player.

Apple criticized RealNetworks' workaround, dubbed Harmony, as the "tactics...of a hacker," and warned in July that RealNetworks-purchased songs would likely "cease to work with current and future iPods." Apple offered no further statement Tuesday, but confirmed that the software released with its iPod Photo will not play music purchased from RealNetworks' music store.

The high-tech feud may be as grounded in public relations as it is in genuine technology development, but it highlights what remains a serious issue in the digital music business. Unlike CDs, songs sold by competing online stores are often not directly compatible with different brands of MP3 players.

Songs purchased from Apple's iTunes store can only be played directly on an Apple iPod, while songs purchased from Napster or MSN Music can only be played directly on a device that supports Microsoft's audio format, for example.

Record label executives, as well as rival technology companies, have repeatedly urged Apple to open up its iPod to play songs purchased from other music stores, but the company has declined to do so. Executives from several labels had applauded RealNetworks' attempt to create compatibility between its store and the iPod, even lacking Apple's permission.

RealNeworks said in a statement that it remains "fully committed to providing consumers with the freedom to use the music libraries they purchase from us on different portable audio devices they acquire, both now and in the future--including the iPod Photo."

To promote the release of its Harmony software, RealNetworks held a half-price sale in its song store in late August, charging just 49 cents per song. At the close of the three-week promotion, the company said it had sold more than 3 million songs during the sale.

RealNetworks said it did not know how many of those customers were iPod owners, however.

The changes Apple made were to the iPod's "firmware," which is the low-level software that powers hardware such as MP3 players or cell phones. This kind of software is often, but not always, updatable, and companies often use changes to provide new features or capabilities for devices.

Apple released its last update to the iPod software in mid-November, offering new versions for the iPod Mini as well as all fourth-generation click-wheel iPods.

The notes that accompanied the release mentioned several enhancements, but did not comment on Harmony. It was not immediately clear whether iPods older than the photo edition had as a result also been rendered incompatible with RealNetworks' technology.

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I'd rather have Steve Jobs attack Real networks with real(tm) firearms, and killed the entire company

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It's not fair to launch a sneak attack against Asher like this, Ata, when he is not on Apolyton at the time.

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Jobs is a nasty piece of work.

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Good thing I don't use RN stuff on my iPod mini.

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Well, so much for competition...

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I hate Real, and I wish the company to die a horrible death, but this decision is as scummy as it can get.

Asher told us before, however, that if Apple had been the giant and Microsoft the outsider, we'd have to complain about a far worse demon (in the person of Steve Jobs) than Bill Gates.

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I'm just happy I didn't buy iPod

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I don't know much about Real. What sort of evils have they been visiting upon the public?

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Their player is just sh*t

And Apple

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You mean besides the fact that they have a shitty OS and no marketshare?

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I'd rather have Steve Jobs attack Real networks with real(tm) firearms, and killed the entire company

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Asher told us before, however, that if Apple had been the giant and Microsoft the outsider, we'd have to complain about a far worse demon (in the person of Steve Jobs) than Bill Gates.


Yes, Apple has done some real bad business moves lately. Charging for every minor version of their operating systems is one we already know.
The once cool company has become quite greedy and short sighted.

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You mean besides the fact that they have a shitty OS and no marketshare?


in terms of evilness...

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Asher told us before, however, that if Apple had been the giant and Microsoft the outsider, we'd have to complain about a far worse demon (in the person of Steve Jobs) than Bill Gates.


Probably not. Jobs had lost control of Apple long long ago.

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You mean besides the fact that they have a shitty OS and no marketshare?


Used OS X much?

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I think I said this would happen back when the Mac people were talking about the Real store as being a choice...

Apple is far more ruthless than MS is, which is why they'll never be as successful as MS. MS walks a fine line, one that most customers find acceptable and reasonable, and Apple alienates the vast majority.

I'll note the irony with this situation is that MS is the one offering choice of vendors and offerings, and Apple is the one suing and fighting off any competition they may have.

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Ah, how soon we forget. Any recollection of the Blue Mountain, eh, incident?

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I dont know why this is a surprise to anyone, these are typical Apple tactics i.e. controling their users.

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They just took a page off the MS playbook.

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What suprises me the most, is that this didn't happen earlier

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Ah, how soon we forget. Any recollection of the Blue Mountain, eh, incident?

The one where online greeting cards were labeled spam due to the inclusion of many keywords that usually flag spam, and moved it to the user's "junk mail" folder accordingly?

What a ridiculous comparison to Apple hacking the firmware to prevent competition...

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i dont get the criticism on apple. real did a hack to get into apple's market. apple responded with another hack. if you accept real's move as "ethical" you ought to accept apple's too....

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The one where online greeting cards were labeled spam due to the inclusion of many keywords that usually flag spam, and moved it to the user's "junk mail" folder accordingly?

What a ridiculous comparison to Apple hacking the firmware to prevent competition...


I can't see Blue Mountain greeting card notification e-mails contained keywords popular with spam. Amazingly, that occurred right after MS launched its own online greeting cards service.

Of course, you neglected to mention that, after Blue Mountain had sued Microsoft, a patch miraculously appeared to rectify the situation.

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i dont get the criticism on apple. real did a hack to get into apple's market. apple responded with another hack. if you accept real's move as "ethical" you ought to accept apple's too....


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Apple's just doing what it has always done. Try to lock in users with hardware then deny then choices from competition.

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That was started after the launching of Lisa/Mac. Before that, the Apple II's were very open computers. Heck, even Microsoft made a CPU card for it.

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I can't see Blue Mountain greeting card notification e-mails contained keywords popular with spam.

You couldn't see how unsolicited email could be considered spam from a 1998-era spam filter?

Honestly now, UR...

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Of course, you neglected to mention that, after Blue Mountain had sued Microsoft, a patch miraculously appeared to rectify the situation.

All the patch did was add Blue Mountain's sending email to an exception list.

Which is something they could've asked MS to do in the first place, rather than just suing them...

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MarkG: if you accept real's move as "ethical" you ought to accept apple's too....


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Atahualpa: It can still be justified of course, but I don't think this is user friendly anymore.

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i dont get the criticism on apple. real did a hack to get into apple's market. apple responded with another hack. if you accept real's move as "ethical" you ought to accept apple's too....

I was criticised heavily when I called Real's actions a hack on Apolyton.

It's funny that now those same people are giving to this comment, conceding that I was right.

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i dont get the criticism on apple. real did a hack to get into apple's market. apple responded with another hack. if you accept real's move as "ethical" you ought to accept apple's too....


Both their actions are clearly legal. It's just that Real's move was good for consumers and Apple's move is bad for consumers.

 
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