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The Emperor Fabulous is offline The Emperor Fabulous
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UP TO 400,000 COULD BE DEAD IN INDONESIA

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KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 30 (Bernama) -- The death toll in Acheh, the region worst hit by last Sunday's tsunami, may exceed 400,000 as many affected areas could still not be reached for search and rescue operations, Indonesia's Ambassador to Malaysia Drs H. Rusdihardjo said Thursday.

He said the estimate was based on air surveillance by Indonesian authorities who found no signs of life in places like Meulaboh, Pulau Simeulue and Tapak Tuan while several islands off the west coast of Sumatera had "disappeared".

He said the latest death toll of more than 40,000 in Acheh and northern Sumatera did not take into account the figures from the other areas, especially in the west of the region.

"Aerial surveillance found the town of Meulaboh completely destroyed with only one buiding standing. The building, which belonged to the military, happens to be on a hill," he told reporters after receiving RM1 million in aid for Indonesia's Tsunami Disaster Relief Fund here Thursday.

Rusdihardjo said there were about 150,000 residents in Meulaboh, which was located 150km from the epicentre of the earthquake while Pulau Simeuleu had a population of 76,000.

Ambassador Rusdihardjo said a combination of earthquake and tsunami had left 80 to 100 per cent of infrastructure in Acheh province, such as hospitals, health centres, transport and communication networks and homes, destroyed.

"Looking at the scale of destruction, it's difficult to say when the search and rescue operations can be mounted in all affected areas," he said.

He said rescue efforts were hampered by transportation difficulties and lack of fuel.

Rusdihardjo said that at this time international help, especially in the form of medicines, clean water, food and clothing, were desperately needed by Indonesia to aid survivors in Acheh.

"Now we are worried about the outbreak of diseases such as cholera, the work of disposing corpses and the absence of clean water following the contamination of water sources," he said.

It would take years before the situation returned to normal, he said, adding that the Indonesian government was not able to estimate losses caused by the tragedy as yet.

He expressed his gratitude to Malaysia's help although the country itself was hit with 66 lives lost so far and property to the tune of millions of ringgit destroyed.

"We are deeply touched," he said.

Rusdihardjo said Indonesia was also seeking Malaysia's cooperation to mount search and rescue operations from its shores because of the close proximity of the two countries.


This is terrible

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I honeslty could not imagine the final toll being half that, but if it comes to 250,000, it would make it the worst natural disaster in centuries.

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This is unbelievable in the scope of how utterly devestating this is.

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400,000? Jesus H. Christ.

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Between 2000 and 3000 Americans missing - that is the same loss of life as September 11.

I've read an article recently about child prostitution and sex slavery in Thailand.. With any luck, the perpetrators and patrons of that criminal industry were swept away by the tsunami..

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That number seems a bit extreme.

When I google for Meulaboh, I get a population of 36,000, not 150,000. I can't find Pulau Simeuleu on any map (and I have a very detailed map of Indonesia). According to Google, there is a wildlife park called Pulau Simeulue and my map also has an island which is called simply Simeulue and has a population of 30,000 (not 76,000). Plus, it's a bit premature to assume based on a little bit of aerial reconnaisance that every living soul in the whole area has perished.

So that article smells like bull to me, at least until other sources back it up...

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U.S. Navy as usual, saves the day

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While this is good, it is only a piss in the Nile. I might make further comments on this in the politics thread...

Is LoneStar riding on this carrier group? Anyone knows?

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Between 2000 and 3000 Americans missing - that is the same loss of life as September 11.

I've read an article recently about child prostitution and sex slavery in Thailand.. With any luck, the perpetrators and patrons of that criminal industry were swept away by the tsunami..


Why does this keep coming up?

Oh, and probably NO, since those folks hang out in bangkok mainly.

Can we kill this thing off already?

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No more about prostitution. That's disrespectful for what this thread was meant for and Ming already gave a warning. Have some respect over those who perished.

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My employer, the CGI group , has just donated 50 000$ to the red cross.

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125000 dead now and with large parts of Aceh and the Indian islands not reached yet this could go much higher. There were pictures from a helicopter on the news here today about certain towns in Aceh that hadn't been reached by road yet. Some had no buildings left, the only thing that distinguished it from a normal empty wateland were the concrete streets and foundations that were left. Most of these towns are expected to have fatality rates of 25-40%.

The Thai government says that people should expect that upto 80% of the still missing should be assumed dead.

In Sri Lanka a lot of the dead go unreported as only the ones that go through the official channels get reported.

I can see this go well clear of a quarter million, possibly heading more towards half a million, not counting the cost of upcoming cholera and dysentry epidemics.

I am only a student and can't spare that much, but have pledged £30 to the Disasters Emergency Relief fund here in the UK (umbrella organisation including amongst other the British Red Cross, Cafod, Oxfam, Save the Children, Tearfund). For those that want to contribute call 0870 60 60 900 in the UK or go to http://www.dec.org.uk .

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it just keeps getting worse

it has been mentioned, but if you can afford it, and you probably can, please donate some money to the aid organisations

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The Volvo board of directors have decided to convert their Corporate Jet into an ambulance plane and immediately execute the order. It will have a capacity of 10 patients sitting or 4-6 on stretchers. I assume they will mostly use it to assist Swedish citizens, though.

My corporation (not Volvo, and I won't reveal it's name, as I post a lot that is not company policy) has decided to "donate a sizable sum to Unicef and the Red Cross" according to an official press release. They don't say how much that is, though.

None of our employees have been hurt in their work, but numerous of the 45 000 employees might have died on their holiday. On my site alone, with 850 employees, I know 3 who was there and survived. One of them lost her son. I know both her and her husband (who was my boss some years ago). The son who is missing worked in the same building as me for a summer.

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That number seems a bit extreme.

When I google for Meulaboh, I get a population of 36,000, not 150,000. I can't find Pulau Simeuleu on any map (and I have a very detailed map of Indonesia). According to Google, there is a wildlife park called Pulau Simeulue and my map also has an island which is called simply Simeulue and has a population of 30,000 (not 76,000). Plus, it's a bit premature to assume based on a little bit of aerial reconnaisance that every living soul in the whole area has perished.

So that article smells like bull to me, at least until other sources back it up...


Meulaboh had an initial report of between 10,000 and 40,000 dead, so I think the population you got was off. I think your population figures are off all around.

Whatever...the numbers will come out eventually.

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Just saw on CNN that although the official death count in Thailand is 1800, they have found 3500 dead in one Thai province, so the final death count may be much much larger then what we have so far.

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I think we are finding that the numbers only include those bodies that have been officially counted by the authorities to this point. They do not include Areas that have not been reached yet, including part of the west coast of Sumatra, some of the islands, and a few areas in SE Sri Lanka. Nor do they include those presumably washed out to sea/missing. In certain areas bodies may have been counted but have not been added to the "official" numbers due to lack of coordination on the ground.

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As if there wasn't enough crap in the fan already:

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A volcano is also reported to be spewing lava on one Andaman island.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4134751.stm

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possible figures of 400 000 even? omg.. I was thinking early on without knowing anything about anything, that maybe it rises to 100 000 and that's the worst it can do.. but not knowing anything that is. Just out of my head.. but possibility of 400 000.. is this BEFORE all the diseases and people who are at risk of dying in these next few weeks or is this not taken into accoun to these figures? Anyway, holy hell, over 100 000 confirmed is already .. 400 000? You can't find a word in english language to that one.

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As if there wasn't enough crap in the fan already:

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A volcano is also reported to be spewing lava on one Andaman island.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4134751.stm


Well, its obvious some major tectonic events are ongoing in this part of the world.

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there has been absolutely no contact from the maldives.


Wow.....There are also 3 volacanos that have become active. I dont want to speculate any relation. One is in Siberia the other 2 in the pacific.

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possible figures of 400 000 even? omg.. I was thinking early on without knowing anything about anything, that maybe it rises to 100 000 and that's the worst it can do.. but not knowing anything that is. Just out of my head.. but possibility of 400 000.. is this BEFORE all the diseases and people who are at risk of dying in these next few weeks or is this not taken into accoun to these figures? Anyway, holy hell, over 100 000 confirmed is already .. 400 000? You can't find a word in english language to that one.


Catastrophe?

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To everyone criticizing american for not sending enough help. Go to hell. Were doing what we can. Funny, I didnt see any of your governments donate this summer when Florida was under the gun.

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I think we are finding that the numbers only include those bodies that have been officially counted by the authorities to this point. They do not include Areas that have not been reached yet, including part of the west coast of Sumatra, some of the islands, and a few areas in SE Sri Lanka. Nor do they include those presumably washed out to sea/missing. In certain areas bodies may have been counted but have not been added to the "official" numbers due to lack of coordination on the ground.


Or in some places, there are no survivors to count the dead. Imagine what happens to an island, 1 meter high, if a 5 meter wave washes over it.

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there has been absolutely no contact from the maldives.


Actually, there have been various stories by now about the Maldives.

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I dont want to speculate any relation.


ITS TEH APSOPCOLOYPSE YOU SILLY DL!!!11!!1!

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Before: http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/...e23_2004_dg.jpg
After: http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/...c28_2004_dg.jpg

When a simple stretch of coastline changes like that, an island's going to disappear off the face of the planet.

Kudos to Patriqvium for the links.

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Actually, there have been various stories by now about the Maldives.


And????? Whats the scoop?


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Maybe not. But you sure would think that if an earthquake/Tsunami came through your podunk town

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I love the lingo around here. This internet thing is serouis business.


Go get some sunlight

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Maybe not. But you sure would think that if an earthquake/Tsunami came through your podunk town


If an Earthquake hit Boston, I'd think "WTF?".

If a tsunami hit Boston (only plausible by way of asteroid), I'd think "Where's Bruce Willis when you need him?!"

We have other things here, like Nor'easters, Hurricanes, Blizzards, and vacationing New Yorkers.

 
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