06-01-2005 02:22									#61
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Well, you do have four unit slots still open on that units.gif. You could fill it with a doughboy, American plane, American ship, and maybe American tank unit. You should, however, put US units under French (or German, if you have a two-alternative entry system) as opposed to making them their own civ: they shouldn't have cities on the map, and playing them before 1917 would be a drudge.

	06-01-2005 23:02									#62
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i am tempted by TOT, but i will wait until i finish the MGE version

	07-01-2005 00:12									#63
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What I suggested before for another WW1 scenario with regard to how to control US entry into the war is to use a two tech trigger approach (if the US is a separate Civ).

If the German player researches "Unrestricted U-Boats", the American player will receive a technology via events e.g. "American Anger 1". If the British player researches the "Cryptography" advance, they can deipher the Zimmerman telegram (the direct trigger for US entry into the war) leading to the US receiving "American Anger 2". The "American Anger" techs are prerequisites for the advance "Declaration of War" which the USA can now choose to research.

In this way American entry into the war is dependent on what the other players research. It's random, but unlike simply having a randomturn makeaggression event, this fulfils a realistic set of criteria for it to occur.

	07-01-2005 02:25									#64
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I would like to recommend that link here:

http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resou...pfer/lupfer.asp

It deals with the German change in military attack doctrine during World War One - which is commonly referred to as 'Infiltration Tactics' - and shows that in 1917/18 there were only two types of infantry units left: defensible units with rather no offensive value - and Sturmtruppen tactics trained troops .... more than 50 divisions of the army in France was considered to consist of Sturmtruppen though ...

I think you should include this though I, however, have not too many clues HOW

	07-01-2005 03:05									#65
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Post your city locations for us (me) to comment (complain)

	07-01-2005 05:22									#66
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It's kind of hard to post city locations when i don't have a map, I am a perfectionist when it comes to maps, and therefore i am very picky about the map, first i need to weed out the 17 quadrillion bugs from the rules.txt, then i can get the game to launch, then i can start screwing with the map.

I think i will make turkey the most challenging side to play,
they will have to reconquer egypt, libya, greece, albania, crimea and many other area's that they have no chance of taking whatsoever. And most of their cities will be going bankrupt and their army will suck. basicly, not recommended to play unless you like losing.

	07-01-2005 05:23									#67
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse I would like to recommend that link here: http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resou...pfer/lupfer.asp It deals with the German change in military attack doctrine during World War One - which is commonly referred to as 'Infiltration Tactics' - and shows that in 1917/18 there were only two types of infantry units left: defensible units with rather no offensive value - and Sturmtruppen tactics trained troops .... more than 50 divisions of the army in France was considered to consist of Sturmtruppen though ... I think you should include this though I, however, have not too many clues HOW

Mabie i could make it as a researchable tech (i.e. reformed offencive doctorine)

	07-01-2005 12:56									#68
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I'm thinking that the TOT Version will have different units for each side (except transports, crusiers, subs ect)
There will also be central powers artillery and allied artillery,
same for some other units,
The only problem is noone has made a lot of the units that i need so i'll stick to the MGE version for now

	08-01-2005 04:52									#69
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You can always use the MGE units for the ToT version, and release a graphics patch when you get more...

	09-01-2005 06:30									#70
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the problem with the civ-specific units is noone has made italian planes or tanks, i think russia had their own planes,
austria had their own planes,. noone has ever made an italian ww1 plane, even though they were historicly the first nation to use them in war when they conquered libya from the ottomon empire,

	10-01-2005 09:07									#71
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Notepad ate my tech tree
edit: looks like i lost the ENTIRE rules.txt

Last edited by Broken_Erika on 10-01-2005 at 09:14

	10-01-2005 09:18									#72
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all i have left is the units
i will have to rebuild the rules.txt again, , this sucks, but at least i didn't lose everything

	10-01-2005 09:58									#73
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You should always keep a backup folder, where you copy all your stuff after each session of work...

	10-01-2005 22:46									#74
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i am doing a mojor rethink on the project, it will still have civ-specific dreadnoughts and troopes but the rest will be generic, i also am doing a mojor rethink on various aspects to see how i can make this project stand out in every way possible, it should be interesting to see what i come up with.

	11-01-2005 01:43									#75
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i want the scenario to be very open, basicly i don't want all the rules and units designed for 1 specific scenario but able to be used for a couple of ww1 scenarios,

	11-01-2005 10:39									#76
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i'm thinking of making the u.s. entry into the war a researchable tech, i like the unrestricted u-boat idea, mabe if you research it you get a very nice and cheap submarine unit,
but it will end up with your enemy eventually getting the US on their side. Basicly Either britain or germany can research it and it will have great short term benifits but the first one to research it will end up at war with the US. what do you think?

	11-01-2005 10:42									#77
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One more thing, how many ways are there to make nation specific units only avalible to the nation they belong to?
(i really should have found this out when i started, the only nation specific units i have are the dreadnaughts and the infantry,

	11-01-2005 11:04									#78
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ToT or MGE?

In ToT, AFAIK, you can specify which nations can or can't build each unit (if they have the prequisite tech, that is)

In MGE you need to use techs:

Either make the unit require a civ-specific tech to be built, or make the unit be obsolete by a tech you'll give every other civ but the one who is supposed to use it (Not-XXX techs)

	12-01-2005 02:21									#79
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Given that US forces fought under the banner of an overall allied command, US forces should come in as events created units for either the UK or the French, or Both.

	12-01-2005 06:11									#80
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I'm thinking of making Belgium belong to Britain, that way Germany will end up at war with britain if they try to go through belgium. Also, at the start, britains additude towards germany will be "Hostile" their additude towards france will be "uncooperative " annd their additude towards russia will be "Icy", i think this will best represent how the countries will feel about eachother.

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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika I'm thinking of making Belgium belong to Britain, that way Germany will end up at war with britain if they try to go through belgium. Also, at the start, britains additude towards germany will be "Hostile" their additude towards france will be "uncooperative " annd their additude towards russia will be "Icy", i think this will best represent how the countries will feel about eachother.

You're probably right about the way they felt about each other, but you also need to ensure that there is no separate peace between Germany and either Russia or France. I presume you will have Russia and France allied; similarly Germany and Austria Hungary.

RJM at Sleeper's

	12-01-2005 13:47									#82
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Say, Erika, do you have a beta copy of your unit graphics for storm troops and US infantry (neither appear on your units.gif)? If so, could you please post them?

	12-01-2005 23:11									#83
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The UK should begin at war with Germany, or allied to France (if not Russia)- it would be too easy for a German player to smash directly at France while ignoring the diplomatic problems of hitting through Belgium, specially if at the end they might be able to pull off an allience with the Uk vs, say, Russia- This is likely if there are rail lines amongst which the human player can shift forces down from belgium straight into the central front.

	12-01-2005 23:23									#84
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i intend to make the area of france that borders with germany have a lot of fortresses and hoardes of french troops, which would take massive amounts of troops and equipment to take. And going through belgium will be the only way to knock france out of the war without losing half of germany's army, and germany's forces will start on the belgian border anyways, and belgium will be poorly defended, also, a northern part of france will be poorly defended, so the german forces can either hit france directly and lose lots of troops trying to get through french fortifications, or they can go through belgium and hit france where it really hurts and make a grab at paris

	13-01-2005 00:27									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika i intend to make the area of france that borders with germany have a lot of fortresses and hoardes of french troops, which would take massive amounts of troops and equipment to take. And going through belgium will be the only way to knock france out of the war without losing half of germany's army, and germany's forces will start on the belgian border anyways, and belgium will be poorly defended, also, a northern part of france will be poorly defended, so the german forces can either hit france directly and lose lots of troops trying to get through french fortifications, or they can go through belgium and hit france where it really hurts and make a grab at paris

Why does the German player have to attack France? If Belgium is British held-France won't move throught there either, will it? So the Germans can sit in the west, and shift their whole forces to hit the Russians fast and knock them out- if the Uk is not necessarily in the war already, then the Germans, with the Austrians and the Ottomans can gang up on the Russians while keeping the French sidelined and contained.

And if Germany is the Computer, will it risk an attack that brings the Uk into the war, or simply throw itself at the French directly, thus killing itself?

For these reasons, I think its better scenerio wise to make a war between Germany and the UK a given, thus making the Schlieffen plan type of assault more palatable for both a computer and human player.

If the game is to allow some diplomatic adventurism, the position of Italy probably makes more sense, since at the beginning of the war it did seem that Italy was in play (as opposed to being an obvious enemy of Austria)

	13-01-2005 00:55									#86
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tech tree sample
Unprotected Cruisers, 4,-2, Ato, Ast, 3, 4 ; AFl
Radio, 5, 1, Bri, nil, 0, 3 ; Alp
Breech Loaders, 3,-2, nil, nil, 3, 0 ; Amp
Frigate Design, 4, 1, nil, nil, 1, 3 ; Ast
Battleship Design, 4,-1, Bri, nil, 2, 3 ; Ato
The Automobile, 6,-1, Bri, nil, 3, 4 ; Aut
Economics, 4, 1, nil, nil, 1, 1 ; Ban
Fabrication, 4, 0, nil, nil, 0, 4 ; Bri
Bronze Working, 6,-1, nil, nil, 0, 4 ; Bro
Public Bars, 5, 0, Ban, nil, 0, 2 ; Cer
Hydrogen Gas, 5,-1, nil, Ban, 1, 3 ; Che
Zeppelin Aircraft, 4,-2, nil, Che, 1, 0 ; Chi
Propeller Aircraft, 4, 1, Chi, Bri, 0, 2 ; CoL
Gattling Gun, 5,-1, Amp, Bri, 3, 0 ; CA
Machine Gun, 5,-1, CA, , 2, 4 ; Cmb
German Empire, 5, 0, no, no, 2, 2 ; Cmn
Killer Furbies, 4, 1, no, no, 3, 4 ; Cmp
Industries, 7,-1, Bri, Ban, 2, 0 ; Csc
Fortress Design, 4, 0, Bri, Amp, 0, 4 ; Cst
Heavy Industries, 4, 0, Csc, Cur, 2, 1 ; Cor
Global Economics, 4, 1, Csc, Alp, 0, 1 ; Cur
British Empire, 5, 1, no, no, 2, 2 ; Dem
Support Ships, 4, 1, Ast, Amp, 2, 1 ; Eco
The Destroyer, 4, 0, Eco, Alp, 2, 4 ; E1
Not Used, 4, 1, no, no, 3, 4 ; E2
Artillery, 4, 0, Amp, Csc, 0, 4 ; Eng
Trench Warfare, 3, 1, Eng, Cst, 3, 2 ; Env

	13-01-2005 01:10									#87
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Are those all techs in the game, or those that can be researched?

Some possible others, including event driven ones:

Total War
National Mobilization
War Weariness
Chemical warfare
Tanks
Revolution!
Long Range Bombers
Submarine Warfare
War Bonds
Infiltration Tactics aka Stormtroopers
Convoy System

	13-01-2005 03:25									#88
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I have 5 levels of submarine design
:diesel-electric engien
:the submarine -submarine
:submarine raiders -raider sub
:Unrestricted Sub Warfare - u-boat
:Unlimited U-boat Warfare -hvy u-boat
when you research Unlimited U-boat Warfare, the other side recieves u.s. reinforcements
but you also get a very extra super special sub unit

	13-01-2005 03:31									#89
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where is a good place for the u.s. reinforcements to land?
plus, italy will be cooperative with france, uncooperative with germany, and icy with austria, mabe if austria would cede their holdings in italy then italy would be on their side for sure.

and finally, i need a good map of europe, and i need to make the barbarians at peace with everyone else, (that way spain will stay put, or i can just make spain a big hunk of unuseable land,

	13-01-2005 04:02									#90
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how can i handle romania? they joined the allies in 27-Aug-1916
i think serbia and montenegro will be russian cities with special balkan troops