13-01-2005 11:17									#391
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quote: Do you really remember the Falcons last year?

Yes, they were utterly dreadful. All hope went out of the team and the city.

quote: Without him, they lost 5 games by a single score.

Late TDs when the game was already decided don't really do much.

quote: The defense was absolutely horrible.

That happens when your offense has mastered the art of the 3 and out.

quote: Once he came back, he completed less than half his passes, was sacked more than any other Falcon QB (on average), and turned the ball over more than he scored. The difference? His defense made plays and they pulled out the close wins.

Isn't that the common refrain! It's all about the defense!! Of course it was exactly the same defense as it was all year in 2003... but don't let that stop you.

The Vick haters will use every argument they can while Vick just wins. Of course this is coming from the same person that claimed Vick had 30 turnovers this year.

	13-01-2005 11:29									#392
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quote: Of course it was exactly the same defense as it was all year in 2003... but don't let that stop you.

No, it's not the same defense. 3-4, 4-3, 3-4, 4-3... notice the 4 and 3 are reversed? I'd be surprised if you did.

quote: The Vick haters will use every argument they can while Vick just wins.

We hate Vick because he's overrated.

	13-01-2005 11:36									#393
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quote: No, it's not the same defense. 3-4, 4-3, 3-4, 4-3... notice the 4 and 3 are reversed? I'd be surprised if you did.

So wait... they changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in the MIDDLE of 2003? Really? So then why did the 'defense step up' right after Vick got there. Did they decide since Vick is back, let's totally change up the defense?! Wow, how ballsy by Reeves

quote: We hate Vick because he's overrated.

All this Vick is overrated talk, coming from everywhere, just cements my belief that Vick is actually underrated .

	13-01-2005 12:01									#394
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Chris "I had one good year" Chandler. You have him as your backup, you should know how good he is .

Oh yeah. I forgot. Yes, he sucks plenty.

One more thing to think about. The Rams have a whole knew type of defense this year with a new coordinator. That second game they were particularly bad. They have steadily improved throughout the season, although they definitely need more interceptions.

	13-01-2005 12:04									#395
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The new coordinator is no Lovie Smith.

	13-01-2005 12:21									#396
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quote: So wait... they changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in the MIDDLE of 2003? Really? So then why did the 'defense step up' right after Vick got there. Did they decide since Vick is back, let's totally change up the defense?! Wow, how ballsy by Reeves

You were talking about 2003 to 2004, and there being no defensive difference. 2003 = 3-4, 2004 = 4-3.

The defense was awful in 2003, and the new scheme fitted their talent in 2004.

In 2003, the Falcons won when their defense played well, and in 2004 it has been the same again now they actually have a scheme worth the paper it is written on.

In 2003, Vick was crap, and was lucky not to have been pointed out when that defense was awful. In 2004, he's still crap, but the defense is actually playing well.

	13-01-2005 12:49									#397
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The new coordinator is no Lovie Smith.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the players learning the new scheme.

	13-01-2005 12:53									#398
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quote: Though if you are so confident, how about a signature wager on the game?

Make it an avatar, and I'll take that bet. Straight up.

I'll wear whatever you choose for me.

	13-01-2005 17:54									#399
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I have no idea how Atlanta has such a good record. They are a very mediocre team, IMHO. They are no better than the Rams. The upcoming game should be close to the end, with only a slight edge to Atlanta due to its home field advantage. However, if Atlanta is down in the final minutes, I would be shocked if they could move the ball down for a necessary score because Vick is not a good quarterback even if he can run the ball.

The more interesting game is the Vikings-Eagles game, as Philly has really stunk up the field recently and the Vikings are showing some life now that Randy Moss is playing better.

	14-01-2005 00:09									#400
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The reason the Falcons have such a good record is that they have played only 2 winning teams.

	14-01-2005 00:32									#401
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GO BIRDS!!!!

	14-01-2005 00:39									#402
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I've got my hopes on the Rams D. I know the offense will play a lot better than they did in the regular season game. They stopped Alexander cold last week, and they should be able do the same thing against Atlanta, but Vick is dangerous, and we probably really have to hope that he doesn't have nearly the game he did in the last meeting. We really need interceptions.

	14-01-2005 00:48									#403
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT GO BIRDS!!!!

Rooting for Philly, are ya?

ACK!

	14-01-2005 04:12									#404
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quote: You were talking about 2003 to 2004

Um.. no I wasn't. We were talking about why Vick went 3-1 in 2003 while without him they went 2-10. I responded to your statement:

Once he came back, he completed less than half his passes, was sacked more than any other Falcon QB (on average), and turned the ball over more than he scored. The difference? His defense made plays and they pulled out the close wins.

Wanna try again?

	14-01-2005 04:15									#405
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HaHa! I just heard what the Pats are doing. Instead of covering the field, the Pats have let the rain soak the ground so that the field will be muddy. Ah, the benefits of home field advantage .

	14-01-2005 05:45									#406
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quote: Um.. no I wasn't. We were talking about why Vick went 3-1 in 2003 while without him they went 2-10. I responded to your statement: Once he came back, he completed less than half his passes, was sacked more than any other Falcon QB (on average), and turned the ball over more than he scored. The difference? His defense made plays and they pulled out the close wins. Wanna try again?

That goes for 2004 too

	14-01-2005 05:53									#407
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui HaHa! I just heard what the Pats are doing. Instead of covering the field, the Pats have let the rain soak the ground so that the field will be muddy. Ah, the benefits of home field advantage .

It will hurt their offense just as badly. Perhaps make the game a turnover battle. And as badly as people rcriticize the Colts D, they kick ass in the turnover battle.

Honestly, I don't know where anyone gets the idea that making the field wet to stop the Colts O is a good idea.

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quote: And as badly as people rcriticize the Colts D, they kick ass in the turnover battle.

Lead the league in forced fumbles...

	14-01-2005 19:12									#409
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NFC:

St Louis 27 Atlanta 24 OT
Philadelphia 31 Minnesota 17

AFC:
Pittsburgh 20 NYJets 17 OT
Indianapolis 41 New England 24
(IND will have monster 1st half)

	14-01-2005 23:48									#410
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I call Indy and Pittsburgh to meet in the AFC championship. I refuse to call the NFC, because anything could happen there.

	15-01-2005 00:09									#411
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quote: Originally posted by Ned The more interesting game is the Vikings-Eagles game, as Philly has really stunk up the field recently and the Vikings are showing some life now that Randy Moss is playing better.

It will be an intersting game. I don't give much credence to the last two outing the Eagles had as they weren't playing starters. But it was noticeale against Dallas how much they need T.O.

I think without TO they are essentially the same team as last year, in a noticeably weaker conference.

	15-01-2005 00:56									#412
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Even without TO, they may still be good enough to make it to the SuperBowl. But it sure is going to be tougher for them without him.

	15-01-2005 01:02									#413
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With TO, they're 3rd best in the NFL, or a strong 4th. Without him, they're a weak 4th at best.

	15-01-2005 01:07									#414
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I'm back after my week break.

I think I'm done with predictions. I really thought the Chargers could advance to the second round (and lose there), but I was wrong. And I really thought the Seahawks would win this time.

I really feel like a bonehead for making those predictions.

	15-01-2005 01:16									#415
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Even without TO, they may still be good enough to make it to the SuperBowl. But it sure is going to be tougher for them without him.

Agreed, which is why I mentioned the significantly weaker NFC. Regardless whoever takes the NFC, they will have a major uphill battle in the superbowl as Pats, Steelers and Indy to my mind are far superior than anything the NFC has to offer at present (assuming Eagles w/o TO that is)

	15-01-2005 01:20									#416
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Atlanta will make the superbowl. And they might even win it. (proving me wrong about their QB's abilities)

	15-01-2005 01:50									#417
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe I think without TO they are essentially the same team as last year, in a noticeably weaker conference.

Not true. Their defense is much better this year. And they have Westbrook for the playoffs this time around unlike last year.

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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Not true. Their defense is much better this year. And they have Westbrook for the playoffs this time around unlike last year.

but they don't have Staley

	15-01-2005 02:32									#419
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident but they don't have Staley

Do the Steelers? Not that they need it with the Bus having a great year.

	15-01-2005 03:24									#420
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He means the Iggles don't Duce.