12-01-2005 01:31									#361
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I was talking about defense. Their defense is not simple at all. But Bulger and the rest of the offense have some experience against it, and they have a good idea about what they will do. They did weird stuff like attacking Pace and blitzing from the outside. Usually that stuff won't work against the Rams, but I'm sure Martz has a handle on what happened.

All which assumes Martz learns from his mistakes. The man is an ideologue who won't change his system even when the evidence says he should modify. Also, he's the worst game day coach in the league. It's too late to do so, but if he was put back in the booth, the Rams would be a MUCH better team.

	12-01-2005 01:36									#362
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That's sooo not true. Every week he does something different. You don't pay attention to the Rams much. He's not an idealogue. He just does things that other coaches do. If you think he will ignore the second game of the season and do things the same way your crazy. The Rams will play a whole different game I assure you of that.

	12-01-2005 01:38									#363
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Btw, if Martz sucks so bad than how do you explain the 2003 team finishing with a better record than the 1999 team even though they had less talent?

	12-01-2005 01:38									#364
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	12-01-2005 01:51									#365
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Another difference in the Rams is that they are playing a lot better against the run. In fact, they made Alexander look pretty mediocre last Saturday, especially before he got injured. They were horrible against the run in the beginning of the season.

	12-01-2005 03:06									#366
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quote: He's not an idealogue.

Ah, the musings of a deluded Rams fan . He has always abandoned the run waaay too early. In fact, that may have cost them the 2001 Superbowl?

quote: Btw, if Martz sucks so bad than how do you explain the 2003 team finishing with a better record than the 1999 team even though they had less talent?

A. I didn't say he sucked. I said he was a horrible game day coach. Everyone knows this. He's a good offensive coordinator, but has no clue about timeout usage, clock management, etc.

B. How do you expect me to take you seriously when you get such simple things wrong?

2003 Rams: 12-4

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003.htm

1999 Rams: 13-3

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1999.htm

And btw, how far did the 2003 Rams go in the playoffs?

Did you mean the 2001 Rams? Because if you did, I'd definetly dispute the less talent claim.

	12-01-2005 03:23									#367
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OY! Vanderjagt needs a sock in his mouth. He's giving the Pats some bulletin board material! Peyton should kick his liquored up ass! They don't need that!

	12-01-2005 04:31									#368
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Upon further thought, I have flip-flopped. It is possible for the Rams to win this game against the Falcons.

The only one clearly set in stone is Steelers v Jets.

	12-01-2005 04:47									#369
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While I'm not a huge fan of Vick's, that's mostly because of all the hype. I hate hype. But I feel a need to give him his props. His last two years healthy, Atlanta has been in the playoffs. When he's injured, Atlanta sucks.

Obviously, it's not just Vick. It's a team game. Just like the Bears could only win with Urlacher in the lineup, Atlanta is dysfunctional without Vick. He has intangibles, leadership skills, and mad footspeed. God forbid he should ever get a receiving corps.

It's hard to come out and say that a guy with 2300 passing yars, a 14/12 TD/INT, and a QB rating = to Tim Rattay (and worse than patrick Ramsey!) is that good. But it's about winning, not about fantasy points.

Mike Vick's a winner.

	13-01-2005 07:14									#370
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Did you mean the 2001 Rams? Because if you did, I'd definetly dispute the less talent claim.

Of course. 2001 sorry. And yes the 1999 team is known as on of the most talented team in history. The 2001 team was just another team.


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	13-01-2005 07:50									#371
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Um... the 2001 team is like exactly the same as the 1999 team. Sorry, try again.

	13-01-2005 07:59									#372
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Imran's right on this one.

	13-01-2005 09:47									#373
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Um... the 2001 team is like exactly the same as the 1999 team. Sorry, try again.

They lost a lot of players in those 2 years.

	13-01-2005 10:01									#374
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quote: The Rams hold a 46-24-2 edge in the all-time series with The Rams hold a 46-24-2 edge in the all-time series with Atlanta, and had won seven in a row in the series prior to the loss in Week 2 .St. Louis last defeated Atlanta in 2003, by a 36-0 count, and last won a road game in the series during the 2001 regular season. Saturday will mark the first-ever postseason meeting between the teams. Martz enters Sunday's game with a career record of 5-1 versus Atlanta.

The Sports Network

Looks like week 2 was a freak occurence.

	13-01-2005 10:06									#375
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious They lost a lot of players in those 2 years.

Did they have Kurt Warner? Yes. Did they have Marshall Faulk? Yes. Did they have Torry Holt and Issac Bruce? Yes and Yes. Did they have Ricky Proehl and Az-Zahir Hakim? Yes, yes.

Every team loses players... the Rams had all the star players. The only 'big' person they lost was Kevin Carter. Big deal.

	13-01-2005 10:07									#376
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Did they have Kurt Warner? Yes. Did they have Marshall Faulk? Yes. Did they have Torry Holt and Issac Bruce? Yes and Yes. Did they have Ricky Proehl and Az-Zahir Hakim? Yes, yes. Every team loses players... the Rams had all the star players. The only 'big' person they lost was Kevin Carter. Big deal.

Imran is right.

	13-01-2005 10:08									#377
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious The Sports Network Looks like week 2 was a freak occurence.

Yeah, because games against a totally different team are relevant!! Tell me, did they have Vick at QB in 2003? Nope. Did they play them in 02? Nope.

	13-01-2005 10:18									#378
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Did they have Kurt Warner? Yes. Did they have Marshall Faulk? Yes. Did they have Torry Holt and Issac Bruce? Yes and Yes. Did they have Ricky Proehl and Az-Zahir Hakim? Yes, yes. Every team loses players... the Rams had all the star players. The only 'big' person they lost was Kevin Carter. Big deal.

You think star players are every thing. The Rams had lots of talented players that weren't the stars on that team. Mike Jones for example, who made the game winning play in the Superbowl against Tennessee. Talent has to be measure on the whole team, not by just its starters.

	13-01-2005 10:19									#379
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah, because games against a totally different team are relevant!! Tell me, did they have Vick at QB in 2003? Nope. Did they play them in 02? Nope.

Vick makes a difference, but not that much of a difference.

	13-01-2005 10:24									#380
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Oh, and I read that Martz is using a defensing back to simulate Vick in practice, so he is adjusting to the Falcons. Vick won't have such a great game. So if you think Vick is the only decent player on the Falcons you have to admit that they are going to lose.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You think star players are every thing. The Rams had lots of talented players that weren't the stars on that team. Mike Jones for example, who made the game winning play in the Superbowl against Tennessee. Talent has to be measure on the whole team, not by just its starters.

Wow... so they lost a few players. Star players are what determines if a team is a totally new team or the same. The entire offense skill positions were exactly the same. It may have been better with Candidate as the backup RB.

quote: Vick makes a difference, but not that much of a difference.

Um... yes he does. Do I need to tell you the record with Vick (22-11-1) and without Vick (2-10) in the last 3 years again?

	13-01-2005 10:26									#382
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Vick makes a difference, but not that much of a difference.

So, Atlanta is a better team than you give them credit for?

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	13-01-2005 10:27									#383
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Oh, and I read that Martz is using a defensing back to simulate Vick in practice, so he is adjusting to the Falcons. Vick won't have such a great game. So if you think Vick is the only decent player on the Falcons you have to admit that they are going to lose.

No defensive back can adequately simulate Vick. Not even close!

	13-01-2005 10:34									#384
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui No defensive back can adequately simulate Vick. Not even close!

Point is that Martz is doing something specific. He doesn't just do the same thing every week.

Oh, and a key match up is Crumpler vs. Archuleta. I predict Archuleta gets at least one interception.

	13-01-2005 10:36									#385
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We'll see... but the Rams won't be stopping Vick. And what they do on Defense has nothing to do with them not doing the same thing every week .

Though if you are so confident, how about a signature wager on the game?

	13-01-2005 10:37									#386
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Um... yes he does. Do I need to tell you the record with Vick (22-11-1) and without Vick (2-10) in the last 3 years again?

Who was the QB who played against the Rams the time they played them before this year? I bet he didn't suck as bad as Vick's back ups.

	13-01-2005 10:39									#387
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui We'll see... but the Rams won't be stopping Vick. And what they do on Defense has nothing to do with them not doing the same thing every week . Though if you are so confident, how about a signature wager on the game?

I'm not that confident. I'm just saying that you are too confident. I give the Rams a 35% chance of victory.

	13-01-2005 10:45									#388
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quote: I'm not that confident. I'm just saying that you are too confident. I give the Rams a 35% chance of victory.

That's fair. I actually just like to rile up the anti-Atlanta, anti-Vick people . I'll be generous and say the Rams probably have a 40% of winning (of course that is when the Vick haters come out and say he's sooo overrated even though its basically a one man team).

quote: Who was the QB who played against the Rams the time they played them before this year? I bet he didn't suck as bad as Vick's back ups.

Chris "I had one good year" Chandler.

You have him as your backup, you should know how good he is .

	13-01-2005 11:05									#389
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Jets - Steelers
Colts - Patriots
Rams - Falcons
Vikings - Eagles

Steelers - Patriots
Rams - Eagles

Patriots - Eagles

My predictions for the rest of the year, win in bold

	13-01-2005 11:13									#390
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quote: Um... yes he does. Do I need to tell you the record with Vick (22-11-1) and without Vick (2-10) in the last 3 years again?

So what? Do you really remember the Falcons last year? Without him, they lost 5 games by a single score. The defense was absolutely horrible. He came back and won a game that ended with his defense returning an INT in OT after he put up a wonderful 14 ponits. We heard all week about how he won that game. Then he was completely embarassed by the Colts defense. Then they beat Tampa by 2 points after Brad Johnson threw 4 INTs. Then they beat the Jags by a single score in which both QBs played very average. Once he came back, he completed less than half his passes, was sacked more than any other Falcon QB (on average), and turned the ball over more than he scored. The difference? His defense made plays and they pulled out the close wins.