10-01-2005 13:07									#301
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Wow, Seattle were huge pretenders. The teams they beat had an average record of 6-10, and the average team they faced was 7-9... Any team can win those games.

	10-01-2005 13:11									#302
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There is one thing about Brent Farve in clutch games recently -- he is guaranteed to throw a lot of interceptions. When they won the Superbowl with Farve, Green Bay had the best defense in football and Brent didn't have to win the game all by himself. Now he presses and simply gives the games away. Perhaps his ego is too big today to control his wildness. But unless he gets it under control, the Pack has no future with Farve at QB. It is time for the Pack to move on, IMHO.

	10-01-2005 15:00									#303
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If you fear the other team then you are setting yourself up for losing. You cannot fear your opponent and win. You can recognize that he is dangerous, but to fear him means you've already lost.

In football, fear is motivation. Motivation wins games. I think it's more likely than not that the Falcons will overlook the Rams, because they lack big game experience.

	10-01-2005 15:01									#304
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius Wow, Seattle were huge pretenders. The teams they beat had an average record of 6-10, and the average team they faced was 7-9... Any team can win those games.

I'm not sure what happened to their defense or their recievers. They really played shitty this year.

	10-01-2005 18:41									#305
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Favre is totally on the ledge. After the game, he reportedly told Mike Sherman he was retiring, with Sherman spending a half-hour talking him down, telling him not to make any announcement until he had cooled off.

So Brett is going home to Mississippi for a couple weeks before saying anything. But it does look like it could happen this time...

	10-01-2005 19:02									#306
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It looked like the receivers screwed up on those interceptions, but you have to wonder whether in previous years Favre would have recognized their changed routes (improvisations) and thrown to the new spot? On the other hand, maybe the receivers just ****ed-up and Favre needs to recognize that. IMO he's still a dangerous quarterback to be facing in the 4th quarter.

	10-01-2005 23:41									#307
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Favre had a lot to deal with in his personal life this year. It was commendable that he was able to get GB to the playoffs alone while having to deal with such distractions. GB was the team I was least looking forward to having the Eagles play this postseason.

	10-01-2005 23:47									#308
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious The Packers beat themselves, but Minn did play well. I think they have a decent chance against the Eagles.

3/4 of NFC Pro Bowl D-backs are Eagles. Eagles D-Line will have Daunte on his back all day.

Westbrook/McNAbb/TightEnds have huge games in an Eagles blowout. I dont expect anything big from Eagles receiving corps, though..

	11-01-2005 00:01									#309
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 3/4 of NFC Pro Bowl D-backs are Eagles. Eagles D-Line will have Daunte on his back all day. Westbrook/McNAbb/TightEnds have huge games in an Eagles blowout. I dont expect anything big from Eagles receiving corps, though..

Philly was only 11th on pass defense, and Minn was 2nd in passing offense.

	11-01-2005 00:06									#310
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Philly was only 11th on pass defense, and Minn was 2nd in passing offense.

But where did Philly rank in points allowed after week 15? 2nd. (weeks 16 & 17 dont count because they rested their starters).

	11-01-2005 01:17									#311
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius They go to New England again in 2005 and again in 2006 before they (probably) play the Pats at the RCA Dome in 2007.

That's not what I meant. I meant it was amusing they had to play that team, not that they had to go to New England. The game could be in Indy and I'd find it amusing as well. Kind of like the Football Gods have said the showdown will continue until the monkey is off the back of the Colts.

	11-01-2005 01:19									#312
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quote: I think it's more likely than not that the Falcons will overlook the Rams, because they lack big game experience.

You mean like Carolina overlooked teams because of a lack of big game experience last year?

Care to continue talking out of your ass, Mr. one is plenty .

	11-01-2005 01:24									#313
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH It looked like the receivers screwed up on those interceptions, but you have to wonder whether in previous years Favre would have recognized their changed routes (improvisations) and thrown to the new spot? On the other hand, maybe the receivers just ****ed-up and Favre needs to recognize that. IMO he's still a dangerous quarterback to be facing in the 4th quarter.

I think that is one of the problems, that it seems while he completed a lot of passes to them, Farve isn't comfortable with his recievers as he was in the 90s. With Freeman, it was almost like they shared a mind and they both knew where to go and where the throw. With Walker and Driver, the same familiarity isn't there at all.

And the defense being so horrible, I feel that Favre feels like he has to win games by himself, thus forcing a lot of balls... though he's always been known for forcing passes where he shouldn't. However, in his MVP years, they found the target a lot more.

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Btw, in the least suprising news of the year, Peyton Manning wins the MVP award, with 47 out of 48 votes.

	11-01-2005 02:50									#315
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Guess who got the other vote...

Michael Vick...

	11-01-2005 02:57									#316
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Yep... its what we argue about in baseball threads. What does MOST VALUABLE mean. Does it mean the best player, or the player whose team would suffer the most without. According to the later definition, Vick is definetly a good choice. Look at Atlanta last year and compare to them this year.

	11-01-2005 04:22									#317
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I can't believe that little scatback-with-an-arm is on the Pro Bowl team over Favre.

That said, every week the door to (losing in) the Super Bowl opens a little wider for Atlanta.

Re Favre yesterday, he's on an inferior team and when they fall behind, it shows (just like it did in his 5-INT playoff loss to the Rams a couple years ago). Amman's a fumbler and the defense is average on its good days. Also, he is actually hurt by his incredible self-confidence. He looked legitimately surprised on both of the "bad route" interceptions yesterday. Imran has a great point re his current crop of receivers. And he was without Javon when he really needed him yesterday.

I think would be a shame if he retired. But -- just like withn Barry Sanders -- as a Bears fan, I must admit I'm all for it.

	11-01-2005 05:12									#318
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quote: Yep... its what we argue about in baseball threads. What does MOST VALUABLE mean. Does it mean the best player, or the player whose team would suffer the most without. According to the later definition, Vick is definetly a good choice. Look at Atlanta last year and compare to them this year.

They'd be fine with Warrick Dunn or Dez White at QB if that's what you mean.

	11-01-2005 06:02									#319
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I think it's more likely than not that the Falcons will overlook the Rams, because they lack big game experience. You mean like Carolina overlooked teams because of a lack of big game experience last year? Care to continue talking out of your ass, Mr. one is plenty .

I guess you are trying to say that plenty of teams with virtually no playoff experience win playoff games.

	11-01-2005 06:06									#320
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Imran has a great point re his current crop of receivers. And he was without Javon when he really needed him yesterday.

How can a QB be considered great if he plays horrible when he doesn't have great recievers to throw to. I'm not saying he isn't good, but he does depend on his recievers too much. He throws to recievers who are covered. The throws aren't even super accurate. He depends on the recievers to make good adjustments to make the catch.

	11-01-2005 08:40									#321
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I guess you are trying to say that plenty of teams with virtually no playoff experience win playoff games.

Playoff experience isn't the be all and end all, especially since the advent of free agency. There have been a number of teams with little to no playoff experience who run the table. Frankly, I don't think playoff experience matters all that much anymore.

	11-01-2005 08:44									#322
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious How can a QB be considered great if he plays horrible when he doesn't have great recievers to throw to. I'm not saying he isn't good, but he does depend on his recievers too much. He throws to recievers who are covered. The throws aren't even super accurate. He depends on the recievers to make good adjustments to make the catch.

Look at Farve's stats and tell me if he played 'horrible' this year? He had a horrible playoff game. It happens. And every QB, no matter how talented, requires talent around him to put up great passing stats.

For example, the reason Atlanta is successful is because Vick can run. The recievers and O-Line around Vick are horrible (with the exception of Crumpler).

	11-01-2005 10:24									#323
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Vick didn't exactly help his team that much.

	11-01-2005 10:27									#324
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What's up with a certain other site, Frozzy?

	11-01-2005 10:28									#325
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*shrugs*

	11-01-2005 10:28									#326
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Eventis.

	11-01-2005 10:32									#327
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Eventis!1

	11-01-2005 10:36									#328
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius Vick didn't exactly help his team that much.

2002 (with Vick): 9-6-1 [playoffs - 2nd round]
2003 (without Vick): 5-11
2004 (with Vick): 11-5 [playoffs - 1st round bye]

Yeah, I think he did . Without him, the Falcons don't sniff the playoffs. Without him, the Falcons are Bears.

	11-01-2005 10:41									#329
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I guess you are trying to say that plenty of teams with virtually no playoff experience win playoff games.

Umm the Ravens? Green Bay? Pittsburgh's first, 49's first, Dallas' first and third, St Louis.

Hmmm, must be only 1.

ACK!

	11-01-2005 10:52									#330
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Well, 1 is plenty, right?