14-01-2005 22:13									#151
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Look you must have pity, Harry is a complete moron.. some people are just born that way. They are wild, crazy and stupid. It was a very offensive thing to do, and he should be kicked in the head for it nonetheless.

	14-01-2005 22:25									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Reread the sentence, what molly wrote was correct. I thought it was your math SAT you flubbed, not the verbal, right?

There was no Ford dynasty. There was no Reagan dynasty. It's a bit over-the-top to call it a Bush dynasty.

	14-01-2005 22:32									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker There was no Ford dynasty. There was no Reagan dynasty. It's a bit over-the-top to call it a Bush dynasty.

The sentence you quoted:

quote: As opposed to electable stupidities and sillinesses, such as Ford, Reagan and the Shrubbery dynasty.

To clarrify it, read it as:

quote: As opposed to electable stupidities and sillinesses, such as Ford, Reagan and "the Shrubbery dynasty".

Also:
Dynasty
1. A succession of rulers from the same family or line. A sequence of powerful leaders in the same family

	14-01-2005 22:45									#154
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I dream of a country where one can dress up as a nazi and be ashamed of it.

it is a costume party after all.

	14-01-2005 23:05									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Also: Dynasty 1. A succession of rulers from the same family or line. A sequence of powerful leaders in the same family

Doesn't succession imply an inheritance of title as opposed to election of same?

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	14-01-2005 23:09									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Doesn't succession imply an inheritance of title as opposed to election of same?

Do you think Dubya would be President if it weren't for his dad?

	14-01-2005 23:11									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Do you think Dubya would be President if it weren't for his dad?

Do you think His dad would have been President if not for Reagan?

Point being its not an automatic but requires approval of the electorate (or for the delusional the illicit action of the supreme court.)

	14-01-2005 23:13									#159
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So you agree that there is a certain degree of inheritance involved. (the election being another part was never disputed btw)

	14-01-2005 23:27									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin So you agree that there is a certain degree of inheritance involved.

At best a minor one. While I would agree presidents are always made men. If that means they inherit their influence by way of family or via political networking the effect is the same. The bottom line though even if annoited by the political machinery they require tacit approval of the electorate. Which rather was the point of Molly's post that the US electorate is moronic.

As for the Molly quote, Kuci is quite right to question its veracity.

For we know the electable stupidity doesn't apply to Ford as he was never elected pres or vice president in a general election.

The shrubbery dynasty is a stretch both on terms of only 2 family members constituting a sequence of rulers as well as the point of succession.

Lastly that leaves the electable stupidity of Reagan, who given the alternatives of Carter and Mondale makes this a rather simple answer.

All in all a typical over the top generalization from our favorite author of puffery.

	14-01-2005 23:32									#161
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My quibble with Kuci is that he seemed to think molly was using incorrect grammar and inadvertently saying there was a Ford and Reagan dynasty. Grammatically, that's not what molly was saying at all. He was saying "Ford, Reagan and the Bush Dynasty," dynasty only referring to the Bushes.

"Dynasty" has become a word with broad meaning, and pretty much everyone refers to the Bushes as a dynasty, as assuredly as they refer to the Kennedies as such.

	15-01-2005 00:56									#162
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The Kennedy plan:

John
Robert
Ted

The Bush plan

George HW
George W
Jeb

Both "clans" at the extreme end of their parties with the most moderate members being elected first.

	15-01-2005 00:58									#163
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Sonds too much like a pattern there.. maybe I should break the pattern and lead the country. Who knows.. we might win. My side always wins. SO .. if it won't happen, then you just have to be on my side without the country, that is if you want to win.

	15-01-2005 01:08									#164
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PLATO, you're not implying that W is more moderate than Jeb, are you? From what I've seen, Jeb is easily the more moderate of the two.

	15-01-2005 01:47									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov My quibble with Kuci is that he seemed to think molly was using incorrect grammar and inadvertently saying there was a Ford and Reagan dynasty. Grammatically, that's not what molly was saying at all. He was saying "Ford, Reagan and the Bush Dynasty," dynasty only referring to the Bushes.

It could go either way. I wasn't challenging his grammar, I thought he meant a Ford dynasty and a Reagan dynasty and a Bush dynasty.

	15-01-2005 01:47									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov PLATO, you're not implying that W is more moderate than Jeb, are you? From what I've seen, Jeb is easily the more moderate of the two.

Jeb's not in the news as much.

	15-01-2005 03:00									#167
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It's great Harry did this. After all who wants monarchs that never create a little controversy every once in a while. There would be absolutely no interest in the royals anymore

	15-01-2005 03:11									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus It's great Harry did this. After all who wants monarchs that never create a little controversy every once in a while. There would be absolutely no interest in the royals anymore

....err, he's not a monarch (or ever likely to be), he's a waste of space.

	15-01-2005 03:23									#169
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever ....err, he's not a monarch (or ever likely to be), he's a waste of space.

35 years later and people are still asking the question:

	15-01-2005 03:49									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker It could go either way. I wasn't challenging his grammar, I thought he meant a Ford dynasty and a Reagan dynasty and a Bush dynasty.

But it couldn't go either way, which is my point. The way he phrased it excluded the possibility that he was referring to a separate dynasty for each.

He would have to have said, "the Ford, Reagan and Bush Dynasties" to mean that.

	15-01-2005 03:55									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov He would have to have said, "the Ford, Reagan and Bush Dynasties" to mean that.

	15-01-2005 04:12									#172
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT 35 years later and people are still asking the question:

Wow, That's a ver 70-ish cover

	15-01-2005 05:50									#173
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I don't know which is worse: That an obviously stupid boy is dressing as Nazis or that this was on a fancy aristocratic party with the nice title "Colonial lords and savages (or was it natives)"? Decadent British aristocrats still styling as colonial lords. This worries me more than an idiot, which is something quite common in aristocratic circles...

	15-01-2005 09:42									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Wow, That's a ver 70-ish cover

Well, it was, like I said, 35 years ago.

	15-01-2005 15:12									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker It could go either way. I wasn't challenging his grammar, I thought he meant a Ford dynasty and a Reagan dynasty and a Bush dynasty.

You'll find I frequently mean what I say, and say what I mean, unless I'm being ironic or sarcastic, in which case this is usually signalled by context and phraseology.


My grammar is correct, but your interpretation/misreading incorrect, because such a reading is not valid given what I have written.

If you read my posts you'll find I have a reasonable amount of dexterity with the English language, by virtue of having studied it for quite some time, and in depth.

Scrupulous attention to text usually pays dividends.

	15-01-2005 15:24									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Sonds too much like a pattern there.. maybe I should break the pattern and lead the country. Who knows.. we might win. My side always wins. SO .. if it won't happen, then you just have to be on my side without the country, that is if you want to win.

If I was American, I would vote you. If not you, Ted Striker.

	15-01-2005 15:26									#177
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Well you subsidise them then (and the royal family while youre at it) oh, and the welsh.

Hey! - we brought the world Tom Jones, not fair
And Kylie Minogue(well her grandmum anyway)..........The Stereophonics...........Shakin Stevens(!) and jokes about sheep-sh**ing, thats got to be worth a fair bit

edit: i forgot to add we also brought you the 'Tudors', to get it more on topic

	15-01-2005 15:46									#178
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor edit: i forgot to add we also brought you the 'Tudors', to get it more on topic

With those howling successes, Henry VIII, Edward VI and Mary I.

And the dynasty's founder had a highly dubious claim to the throne in any case.


Still, at least Elizabeth Tudor had something going for her.


You forgot to mention: Lloyd George, Catatonia, the Manics, Dylan and Edward and R.S. Thomas, Henry V, Owen Glyndwr, Shirley Bassey, and Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, along with other iconic proofs of Welsh genius.

	15-01-2005 16:02									#179
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true.....i never said the Tudors were a good thing..

but thanks for the other list - i feel much better and can hold my head high again as i walk amongst the english

	15-01-2005 16:42									#180
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What, Catherine Zeta-Jones not good enough, is she?