14-01-2005 01:44									#61
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BTW, do the British understand how STUPID AND SILLY their little monarchy is?

	14-01-2005 01:46									#62
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They understand it brings in money from American tourists.

	14-01-2005 01:47									#63
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc They understand it brings in money from American tourists.

cashing in on teh stupid

	14-01-2005 01:49									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Sava BTW, do the British understand how STUPID AND SILLY their little monarchy is?

The sensible ones do!

I hate the inbred b@stards and I still have to pay taxes for their upkeep

The thing that makes my blood boil is when foreigners try to you how great the British royal family is, I just feel like screaming "You pay for the f$%kers then!"

..and relax.....

	14-01-2005 01:53									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Snotty Well, unless there were some private dealings between the monarchy and government, its basically not going to happen. If the monarchy publicly started throwing its weight around the monarchy abolitionists would have a field day, and Im sure they would receive widespread public support.

The Australian Republicans have been up in arms for the last several years, but Oz STILL isnt a Republic.

	14-01-2005 01:55									#66
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc They understand it brings in money from American tourists.

I mean they go visit a country with all those castles, pubs, bookstores, museums, quant villages, (not to mention Harry Potter related sites) etc, etc and they wait in line for a glimpse of an elderly civil servant?

	14-01-2005 02:12									#67
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Wow. I'm so glad I wasn't born into a royal family. I'm sure the press would have a field day with me. People/society takes themselves too seriously -- all that PC crap et al.

	14-01-2005 02:22									#68
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Yeah, it must be a drag, a real hell in fact,having to deal with all those millions, meeting interesting people and all...

	14-01-2005 02:23									#69
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I feel sorry for William (a little), as it is quite clear he doesn't want to be king and would rather live a normal life, but he has an enitre family and an entire government, not to mention a sizable portion of the British public, pressuring him otherwise. I would love to see him just outright refuse.

	14-01-2005 02:23									#70
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quote: The Australian Republicans have been up in arms for the last several years, but Oz STILL isnt a Republic.

Much like our republicans have as well The Aussie ones may well have a better chance of getting what they want though as opinion seems to be slowly swinging more towards the monarchy these days. Still, the press jump on any chance they get to bring the debate back, and it would only take an inkling of monarchy interference to swing opinion the other way.

	14-01-2005 02:24									#71
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quote: Originally posted by alva Yeah, it must be a drag, a real hell in fact,having to deal with all those millions, meeting interesting people and all...

If that's something that somebody doesn't want to do, but they are forced into doing it, it could very well be hell for them. It certainly seemed to be hellish for Diana.

	14-01-2005 02:29									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It certainly seemed to be hellish for Diana.

What?! She loved it, she courted the press but on the odd days she didn't fancy it she thought she could just turn it off, it doesn't work like that.

	14-01-2005 02:34									#73
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever What?! She loved it, she courted the press but on the odd days she didn't fancy it she thought she could just turn it off, it doesn't work like that.

The latest excerpts from her letters indicate that she was miserable most of the time. Unlike William, her lot was more self-given, since she chose to marry Charles, true. But she had a lot of wrong ideas about what that would entail.

	14-01-2005 02:39									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I feel sorry for William (a little), as it is quite clear he doesn't want to be king and would rather live a normal life, but he has an enitre family and an entire government, not to mention a sizable portion of the British public, pressuring him otherwise. I would love to see him just outright refuse.

I can sympathize with not want to followed about around by photogs, et al. (though Im not sure Di didnt court that sort of thing) But I would expect ANYONE to have good sense about dressing up as a Nazi - I mean thats not too demanding.

In any case I dont think the Scandinavian monarchs are hounded like the UK royals. Perhaps cause they havent spent several decades pursuing the press? With gross extravaganzas like Charles and Di's wedding? Perhaps cause they arent trying to justify a civil list on the scale of the UK royals.

If I was a UKian I dont know as id be a Republican, but id damned sure want to cut the royals down to something more modest.

	14-01-2005 02:43									#75
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dude, the UK is nothing without the monarch. I mean paying people to be ****ing ***** is what the UK is all about. See Beckham and Posh...

	14-01-2005 02:46									#76
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I can sympathize with not want to followed about around by photogs, et al. (though Im not sure Di didnt court that sort of thing) But I would expect ANYONE to have good sense about dressing up as a Nazi - I mean thats not too demanding.

I'd agree, but note I was talking about William, not Harry.

quote: In any case I dont think the Scandinavian monarchs are hounded like the UK royals. Perhaps cause they havent spent several decades pursuing the press? With gross extravaganzas like Charles and Di's wedding? Perhaps cause they arent trying to justify a civil list on the scale of the UK royals.

Can't argue, but wrt William, I don't see why he should be punished for the sins of his family. Neither should Harry, who has studiously loathed the press and made it clear he wants nothing to do with them.

Like I said, I would love to see nothing more than to have both of them just kiss off the familial obligation and do what they want rather than what is expected of them.

	14-01-2005 02:46									#77
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever The sensible ones do! I hate the inbred b@stards and I still have to pay taxes for their upkeep The thing that makes my blood boil is when foreigners try to you how great the British royal family is, I just feel like screaming "You pay for the f$%kers then!" ..and relax.....

$60 million a year in taxpayers costs. Half of which aren't dependent on the existance of a monarchy (e.g Palace upkeeps and maintenance, head of state functions). There are further distinct incomes that ameliorate the cost, and probably cause a net inflow of cash to the country.

Compare to:

$800 million for a new parliament building in Scotland.


I know which of those two I would complain about first..

	14-01-2005 02:50									#78
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Two evils doesn't make the lesser one OK.

	14-01-2005 02:54									#79
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True, but its priorities damnit.

Get rid of the mooching Scots first!

	14-01-2005 02:57									#80
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scots are cool

	14-01-2005 02:59									#81
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 scots are cool

Well you subsidise them then (and the royal family while youre at it)

oh, and the welsh.

	14-01-2005 03:00									#82
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im an american. i base my entire experience with scottish people on the movie trainspotting.

	14-01-2005 03:08									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin True, but its priorities damnit. Get rid of the mooching Scots first!

Whens the last time a royal penned a novel to match the Harry Potter series? When, huh?

JK Rowling for Queen!!!

	14-01-2005 03:08									#84
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quote: But it does show how quickly later generations forget the follies/importance of those from previoius ones.

What is even more amazing, to me, is that people can forget their own generation's follies.

My father was in WWII (British Merchant Marine). He and I were discussing Iraq recently, and he mentioned a distinct memory he has from the day Britain entered WWII. He remembers a family friend, a WWI veteran (who had been gassed, but survived), talking to a group of boys about the new war with Germany. And what does this grizzled veteran of WWI tell them? "It'll all be over for Christmas, boys!"

I was staggered by that. This is a guy who had fought in a war 25 yrs prior that was also supposed to be over for Christmas, but instead lasted 4 yrs.

Then again, the guy might have just been a fool. The other thing my father remebers him saying was that the French had the best general in the world...

-Arrian

	14-01-2005 03:13									#85
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Whens the last time a royal penned a novel to match the Harry Potter series? When, huh? JK Rowling for Queen!!!

Are you implying that Rowling is Scottish? Or just making a lateral leap of logic?

	14-01-2005 03:15									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I feel sorry for William (a little), as it is quite clear he doesn't want to be king and would rather live a normal life, but he has an enitre family and an entire government, not to mention a sizable portion of the British public, pressuring him otherwise. I would love to see him just outright refuse.

Until he pays back the £20,000,000 he got in Diana's will (itself drawn from the public) his arse is ours and his refusal is not an option.

	14-01-2005 03:18									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Are you implying that Rowling is Scottish? Or just making a lateral leap of logic?

well she may not be Scottish by birth, but thats where she lives, no? I mean do only native born Scots get to vote for the Scottish Parliament?

	14-01-2005 03:18									#88
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Didn't Keith Moon used to parade around in Nazi uniforms once in a while (admittedly his reasons for wearing the garb were just for the shock value)?

	14-01-2005 03:24									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp his arse is ours and his refusal is not an option.

If that doesn't get Boris applying for British citizenship, nothing will

	14-01-2005 03:30									#90
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark well she may not be Scottish by birth, but thats where she lives, no? I mean do only native born Scots get to vote for the Scottish Parliament?

Nope, but most of those who pay for it don't get to vote.