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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:31
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WEll, people who don't get to see a glimpse of UK media don't necessarily realize it's not just few papers writing about it. The media is nuts abou this....... like someone said in Sky News yesterday, the Media should apologize Harry, not the other way around.
Few points. It was a private party. It wasn't meant to be seen by anyone else. That means, it wasn't a statement he wanted to make, just a dress...
second of all, the dress itself was stupid. I thought he was a proper Nazi or something, like a real good dress, but that was just a stupid and cheap looking shirt with an oversized swaztika on it. It looked stupid.
How many times have we discussed that German uniforms were the coolest ones? I mean the objective discussion, where we don't talk about what they actually did.. just the uniforms themselves. Well some of them really do look pretty good. They're not boring at all. Of course to wear one today without a reason at all shows kind of weird behaviour, as a statement it shows poor judgement and perhaps racism, but as a dress up for a party... I don' tknow. It wasn't even a proper dress.
Yes he is the prince, but he is still young, and reading all the papers before this too, seems to be not the brightest one anyway so I don't know why people are so much into this thing with passion, yes nazis did nazis yeah, but that wasn't the point he was trying to make I'm sure. Then again if it was... now that's another story.
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Millions? Please.
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Your ignorance of history as it pertains to religion and its pernicious consequences never ceases to amaze me.
I can understand that you fall over your shoelaces in your zeal to excuse the excesses of the Catholic Church because of your professed desire to enter its tainted embrace, but do try to catch up with the rest of us who've read some history.
How many died in the whole of the Spanish Reconquista?
A crusade expressly sanctified by the Pope and Catholic Church.
Then in the campaigns against Muslim and Jewish converts to Catholicism.
In the autos da fe, in Portugal and Spain.
Then how about the campaigns of the Teutonic Knights against non-Christian Slavs.
France's Wars of Religion. I'm guessing even you might understand that 'Wars of Religion' is a bit of a clue there.
The crusade against the Cathars in Languedoc. The suppression of the Bogomil heretics.
The Sack of Jerusalem, the Sack of Acre, the newly Christianized Roman Empire's various purges and crusades against pagans, the activities of the Holy Inquisition in Portugal, Spain, Italy and the Low Countries.
As Oerdin pointed out, the Thirty Years' War, a campaign to enforce a Catholic Church supported Habsburg preeminence from the Iberian peninsula to Italy and all of Germany and the Low Countries.
Papally sanctioned assassination attempts against Elizabeth I, the grisly spectacle of 'Christ's vicar on earth' celebrating the wholesale slaughter of Protestants in the Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Day with a special medal and a Te Deum. Charming.
The Revocation of the Edict of Nantes and the mass drownings of Huguenots- 'the noyades', that followed.
The activities of the Catholic Church in Spanish and Portuguese America.
How many died at the hands of Catholic Croatian Ustasha Fascists and a Fascist puppet state in Slovakia led by Father Tiso! Hint- the 'father' bit there gives you another big clue.
The witch burning craze in Germany and Central Europe, the numerous Crusades, etc, etc....
So what's your estimate, Obi Gyn?
Two people and a pig?
Four hundred?
Two thousand?
Now these are all just from memory, and pertain only to the activities of the Catholic Church and Catholic states- I suppose if I really tried very hard, I could consult a few books, look at a few websites, post a few references, but I can't be arsed to educate you at my expense.
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Cruddy
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On topic; what really annoys me is the idiot is still going to Sandhurst.
I had an old school friend whose school report stated he had been caught wearing an iron cross.
Guess what? The Brit Army selectors said it was evidence of Nazism and kicked the poor sod out of training after a week.
One law for the rich, another for the poor.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:31
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Shogun, so.. the question is.. did he wear it because of that, or because of the controversy.. I guess for the controversy, because he did have that swastika.. otherwise he could have just left it out.
which brings me to another question. Which one is more insulting, a kid wearing something stupid like that in private party, or every media calling him NAZI in huge letters?
I mean, the other one IS insulting. This is of course assuming Harry is not one, which is of course very reasonable assumption.
The army shouldn't ban him for this. If this is a .. reason to ban someone from army, being a nazi, then it should also include banning bad taste, because harry is only guilty of bad taste, because he is no nazi because of this.
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Evil Knevil
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St Andrews, Scotland.
Dec 1999
time: 05:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
Shogun, so.. the question is.. did he wear it because of that, or because of the controversy.. I guess for the controversy, because he did have that swastika.. otherwise he could have just left it out.
which brings me to another question. Which one is more insulting, a kid wearing something stupid like that in private party, or every media calling him NAZI in huge letters?
I mean, the other one IS insulting. This is of course assuming Harry is not one, which is of course very reasonable assumption.
The army shouldn't ban him for this. If this is a .. reason to ban someone from army, being a nazi, then it should also include banning bad taste, because harry is only guilty of bad taste, because he is no nazi because of this. |
There were 400 people few of whom Harry knew. I see what you're saying, on a non-public engagement shouldnt he be allowed to engage in a little bad taste?
Well, actually, no. He may have an unusual life with a great deal of responsibility, but he is afforded considerable privelege in return for this.
The Windsor family and their supporters like to paint themselves as merely figureheads these days - well public scrutiny and accountability for your smallest actions are part of being a figurehead. They rule and WE pay. They don't even have a right to exist without our mandate.
Furthermore even if he was just rabidly pig ignorant ---I think, according to the Graniad he thought the Swastika was "A communist windmill"--- then he should be put down like a duffered horse.
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