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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
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How could hiring workers to build public works, parks, roads, levees, and fire breaks be unconstitutional? |
Easy if this construction wasn't on federal lands. The Constitution allows the feds to build what it needs to maintain a navy, a postal system, and military infrastructure, etc., not make work programs just to employ people.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by Berzerker
Easy if this construction wasn't on federal lands. The Constitution allows the feds to build what it needs to maintain a navy, a postal system, and military infrastructure, etc., not make work programs just to employ people. |
The Constitution doesn't say that the Federal government can't either. Furthermore most of the work done by the CCC was on Federal parks, interstate riverways, and interstate roads. Previous administrations had built parks, levees, canals, roads and other public works without raising the Supreme Court's wrath.
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Dis
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Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:30
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Originally posted by David Floyd
So many bad ones to choose from, so few good ones.....
The three I hate the most are the ones Berzerker already brought up - FDR, Lincoln, and LBJ, probably in that order, for their efforts in shredding the US Constitution. For example, Lincoln's decision to ignore the Supreme Court in Ex parte Merryman strikes me as one of the worst abuses of power in the history of the Presidency - far, far worse than anything Nixon did.
Franklin Roosevelt violated the Constitution so regularly, the only way his New Deal became Constitution was through his threats to pack the Supreme Court. SCOTUS began to see things his way more often after that Court Packing mess, but the timing of the decisions against FDR vs. those in his favor is sort of telling.
Put another way, without FDR's threat to pack the court (an abuse of power up their with Lincoln's Merryman decision in my book), most of his legislative programs that had not already been found unconstitutional would undoubtedly have been found as such.
FDR also was conducting an illegal undeclared war against Germany, and trying to do anything he could to get the US into the biggest bloodbath in history, otherwise known as WW2. 
Lyndon Johnson also pretty horrible - his war on poverty was not only not all that effective, but also mostly unconstitutional. Almost as bad was his decision to get us heavily involved in Vietnam - whereas, if JFK had lived, we quite possibly would have pulled out - and then his insistence upon micromanaging the war once we got into it. Although I can't stand LBJ, he does at least have the dubious virtue of not being as bad as Lincoln and FDR.
Woodrow Wilson is also pretty high up on my list of "worst Presidents" - not only did he get us into WW1, but he also played imperialist games in the Caribbean and Central America, and once we were in the Great War, his administration quelled dissent everywhere they could find it, and created a propaganda of hate against the Germans - in some ways, Wilson stirred up more hatred against the Germany of WW1 in the US than FDR was able to stir up against Nazi Germany, in my opinion. Wilson's administration actively prosecuted ANYONE who disagreed with the war, the draft, or any measures in support of either - people actually went to prison for saying they felt that the war or draft was wrong.
Andrew Jackson also particularly stirs up my ire, not only for his treatment of the Indians, but also the fact that he was perfectly willing to ignore the Supreme Court. See Worcester v. Georgia - essentially, SCOTUS struck down the Indian Removal Act of 1830, and Jackson refused to uphold SCOTUS's verdict. |
poverty in the U.S. was cut in half under LBJ. 'nuff said.
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Pax
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Originally posted by SpencerH
Jimmy Carter stands head and shoulders above the others as the worst president (during my lifetime). Thats not to say he was responsible for everything that happened in those years, but he was not a decisive leader. |
It's funny that you say that. I would think that if some people blame Clinton for not reacting to AQ/OSL in strong enough terms then you would have to blame the Reagan/Bush admin's for 80-92 for their support/training of the "freedom fighters" who have now been reclassified as "terrorists" That would make reagan the worst president. Especially when you take into account the shady dealings of the Iran-contra affair and etc.
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21-01-2005 04:44
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. Go google Neil Bush. Then again look at Harken Energy. The difference between Neil and George Jr. is that Neil got caught.
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