19-01-2005 22:22									#1
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He's back...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto..._dc_2&printer=1

"MOSCOW (Reuters) - Moscow plans to erect a new statue of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, returning his once-ubiquitous image to its streets after an absence of four decades, a top city official said Wednesday.

Since President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) was elected in 2000, a number of Soviet symbols -- including the national anthem and an army flag -- have been restored to use, reflecting widespread nostalgia for Russia's communist years.

But rehabilitation of Stalin, who was denounced after his death in 1953 by the Soviet leadership for encouraging a cult of personality and killing millions of real and imagined opponents, has previously been out of bounds. Statues of Stalin were removed from Moscow's public spaces in the 1960s.

"A monument will be erected to those who took part in (leading the war against Adolf Hitler), including Stalin," Oleg Tolkachev, Moscow's senator in the upper house of parliament, told Ekho Moskvy radio.

Interfax news agency reported earlier that a Stalin monument would also be built in the Belgorod region near the Ukrainian border to mark the Soviet victory against Nazi Germany 60 years ago -- seen as the country's greatest military triumph.

In another sign of Stalin's growing appeal, state television channels have shown a number of prime-time television shows in recent months depicting him in a positive light."

	19-01-2005 22:30									#2
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This is somewhat foolish.

	19-01-2005 22:30									#3
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I wonder if it is an organized attempt at rehabilitating him, and making authoritarianism* more fashionable than it already is.

Or maybe (hopefully), it is Russians trying to make peace with their past and their rather extreme opinions about Stalin (both positive and negative).


*I know Stalin was far worse than merely authoritarian. He is among the worst totalitarian slaughterers this planet has known. But if there indeed is an organized attempt at rehabilitating him, the message will probably not be about the horrors he wrought to his own people, but about how a "leader with resolve" can "overcome the greatest odds" or some crap like that - hence, such rehabilitation would be aimed at raising the acceptance of authoritarianism, rather than of totalitarian slaughter.

	19-01-2005 22:32									#4
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I think Putin is trying to revitalize him and strengthen his own hold on the state. Putin is no Stalin, but Putin is appearing to be more authoritarian by the way. Stalin was totally totalitarian like Kim Jong Il but worse. Putin will use Stalin's legacy for his advantage.. even though I can't see how this is possible.

	19-01-2005 22:33									#5
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Mario Stalin.

	19-01-2005 23:17									#6
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helping to defeat Hitler was a GOOD thing... but I don't think Stalin should have a monument... that's despicable.


OOOOH WAIT I'M A COMMIE LOVING JOHN KERRY VOTER!!@! THAT MEANS I LIKE TEH STALIN




next thing you know the Spanish will want to build monuments of Franco, the butcher.

	19-01-2005 23:20									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Sava helping to defeat Hitler was a GOOD thing... but I don't think Stalin should have a monument... that's despicable. OOOOH WAIT I'M A COMMIE LOVING JOHN KERRY VOTER!!@! THAT MEANS I LIKE TEH STALIN next thing you know the Spanish will want to build monuments of Franco, the butcher.

Sava you are tasteless, stop ruining my threads.

	19-01-2005 23:20									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Sava you are tasteless, stop ruining my threads.

as soon as you stop ruining everyone else's threads.

	19-01-2005 23:22									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Sava as soon as you stop ruining everyone else's threads.

Stop talking about yourself. Every thread that has Sava in it is a troll thread.

	19-01-2005 23:22									#10
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Totally totalitarian? What a wonderful phrase for the tongue.

	19-01-2005 23:23									#11
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Shall we warn the folks down in hell to start looking for their ice skates, boys?

-Arrian

	19-01-2005 23:25									#12
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Totally totalitarian? What a wonderful phrase for the tongue.

Have a mic? Say that twenty times and record it for me.

Ah, look at my new avatar...

	19-01-2005 23:39									#13
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I wonder if Stalin's policies also become en vogue again

	19-01-2005 23:40									#14
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Putin is brilliant. I'm glad I'm not up against him.

	19-01-2005 23:42									#15
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A moment to Teh Stalin

	19-01-2005 23:44									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar A moment to Teh Stalin

... Not.

Somehow you never surprise me.

	19-01-2005 23:47									#17
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Why, some might say that Stalin is the Franco of Russia

Totalitarianism

	19-01-2005 23:49									#18
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Russia not acnowledging the bad parts of its history
Beating Fascists
Gulag
Oppressing neighbors
Stalin
Putin

	19-01-2005 23:50									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Totalitarianism

Idiots

	19-01-2005 23:51									#20
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Oppressing neighbors
Racist neighbors that like blaming everything from poor crop yields to failed dates on evil evil Russia
Lithuania and Poland
The LORD God Putin
Thinking I'm posting seriously in a FEZ Thread

	19-01-2005 23:53									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Racist neighbors that like blaming everything from poor crop yields to failed dates on evil evil Russia

Dude, Stalin was responsible for some of the most horrific famines ever to hit.... especially the Ukraine. I bet many Ukraineans are fuming over this intention of putting up a Stalin statue.

Long live Ukrainean nationalism!

	19-01-2005 23:55									#22
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Ukraine, aka Russia with the "i" inserted into the Cyrillic alphabet And a horrible flag.

	19-01-2005 23:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Ukraine, aka Russia with the "i" inserted into the Cyrillic alphabet And a horrible flag.

As seen with the recent election in Ukraine, the Ukraineans rejected Putin and Russia.

	19-01-2005 23:57									#24
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They cannot escape. Russia, in its evilness, one day entered glorious Catholic Polish German French Ukraine and, with the wave of a magic wand, turned them into evil slavs (who, btw, arent even human).
Their attempts at running from their heritage are laughable

	20-01-2005 01:02									#25
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quote: Thinking I'm posting seriously in a FEZ Thread

It started with a statement of a factual event, and provided a link. not a typical fezbottroll.

	20-01-2005 01:28									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Dude, Stalin was responsible for some of the most horrific famines ever to hit.... especially the Ukraine.

Some of? There was only one famine under Stalin, unless you count the starvation of Leningrad, which had, as a proximate cause, the German and Finnish armies surrounding it.

	20-01-2005 01:40									#27
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Some of? There was only one famine under Stalin, unless you count the starvation of Leningrad, which had, as a proximate cause, the German and Finnish armies surrounding it.

Pekka is gonna have your ass for that one

	20-01-2005 01:40									#28
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Some of? There was only one famine under Stalin .

How do you count famines?

Over several years, in many regions or countries; I make it more than one

I have also been to a Stalin monument - called Norilsk

	20-01-2005 02:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf Pekka is gonna have your ass for that one

Why. Don't Finn's like remembering their part in starving Leningrad?

	20-01-2005 02:04									#30
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Russia is nothing compared to the USSR under Stalin. Some people don't really care about the horrors of the past. They just remember how great their nation was.