20-01-2005 22:41									#211
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka http://10mbit.kicks-ass.org/pix/FinskDiscoskola.mpeg And here be the evidence why we were and still are invincible. We can disco dance to German covers!

And yet he keeps saying that Finns didn't dance to the German's tune!

	20-01-2005 23:58									#212
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And if you were anymore educated than you are you'd know know we didnt

	21-01-2005 05:26									#213
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Let him dream.. it's what he has learned.. I hope the degree didn't cost too much though

Solomwi, No. It would be the same.. I mean had we been in our old borders digging in which would have been a weird decision but let's assume we would have been in there. Now the SU troops would be concentrating (the ones assigned against us) in the Karealian isthmus. Supposedly the support lines go in that area now. Those lines are used now in the war against us. What can we do? We can go there and cut them, which our long distance patrols would do all the time. They wouldn't be able for 100% success rate but assume pretty high anyway.

Would we be starving Leningrad now, now physically and intentionally priority number one being cutting the support lines? Or would that be a separate thing between us now, being inside our old borders literally? I'm not talking about what's right or wrong. I'm talking about cause and effect, and how some people feel they are putting 1 and 1 together like little kids.

	21-01-2005 05:53									#215
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Oh that's right, we couldn't have done any inside enemy lines operations because the strong Igor would have kicked our asses. I forgot, sorry. No wait, that's where all the big turnouts started, oh yeah now I remember.

What if we would have been pushed further back inside our own lands, and SU had established big support lines there, and more or less lose the rest in those areas because of.. some reason. now, if we would push back and naturally destroy those lines, would we starve Leningrad?
Same question.

If you believe this to be, thne you really are out of reality. It's NOT a fact, it's an interpretation. Either accept it or cry like a little girl.

	21-01-2005 05:55									#216
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Keep shouting at the wind. Everyone but you two accept the simple premise I laid out and proved repeatedly. Go on talking about how the lunar tides mean that you really weren't doing what you were doing, and even though you weren't doing it, you were totally justified and it was Stalin's fault.

	21-01-2005 05:58									#217
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Pekka, one more time, I think you did the right thing for yourselves. I'm not arguing that you should have let those supply lines go unmolested. Finnish troops had a duty to Finland to cut them. That's irrelevant to what Che was saying.

	21-01-2005 06:09									#218
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"Keep shouting at the wind. Everyone but you two accept the simple premise I laid out and proved repeatedly."

Everyone WHO? Books don't agree with you, documentaries don't agree with you.

You have so many false premises, that your interpretations are just .. interpretations. You have nto shown any kind of ability to really know this subject at all.

Your claim to question the ability to cut the 'road of life' is laughable and shows your level of eduaction on this matter. DO you realize, once again, the front was fairly inactive for the longest times, and we had troop concentrations in there. Yes, we could have used most of our resources just to cut it. And past, every battle, shows we would have been unstoppable. There were many things we could have done. in summer too. We could have bombed the lines and take partial air superiority at will, like we did throughout the wars. Ohh the glorious AA, but they didn't do any damage to us throughout the wars, where as our aces took what they wanted, just a matter of doing it. Do you realize that they would have dominated any battle in that region no problem? Winter time, you even suggest they could have kept it alive, had we launched one operation during the inactivity of all fronts? Your whole theory of it is just showing your inability to know the reality of the situation. Ahh but so many Germans down there too, why didn't they cut it. Again, you don't know anything about any kind of military subject unless you can see picture behind statistics. How do you suggest they would have done it, cutting in front of us, and those extra men would have been pulled there from.. where? AS I recall, they had their hands full without that. Yet alone keep the lines down, it's not like they can bomb it and leave. They would have needed to stay and bomb it all the time.

THe fact that we didn't take it out, and it would have been one of the easier missions during the wars which Che fails to recognize, making him show his true colours of not knowing what he's talking about at all, suggests that we didn't starve Leningrad. HAD we cut that line, THEN we woudl have starved Leningrad.

'Ohh but that was just one puny line'. It was called the road of LIFE. Do you comprehend? Our Nazi loving leaders refused to coperate with Hitler on this matter. Oh but that doesn't matter, because you cut some other lines. Other lines meant to support the war against us, it wasn't a part of Leningrad siege. And I've said before, you can build a maze where that leads to starving Leningrad, but if you do that, then everybody is responsible for everything that happens in the world. And as it is, you naturally don't put any responsiblity on Stalin. Or just partial responsibility. How's that for being apologist then?

You're the kind of educated person who would seriously claim baltic states and many other former SU satellite states benefited from being part of the SU. You know, good trades and all that, good employment situation. Let's ask how they feel about it! Survey says... you're full of ****.

	21-01-2005 06:26									#220
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Well show me your great education then and refute any of these facts. Just show some kind of ability to actually.. know abgout this subject, in any level outside your own poor interpretations of 'omg look at the map' which basically was correct map, and you interpreted it wrong already once.

I find it amazing that you are in there, comfortably sitting and giving out responsibility tickets to everyone, and you don't give the only two cards there is to Hitler and Stalin. YOu just give them away like candy. Not knowing mostly what you're even talking about, having your facts screwed up, not reading about the subject once it's been exposed. You are just trying to type some smilies, as if it would give you any credit for k nowing anything.

If you don't start with facts and just keep on what you're on about, you're just trolling. And being a Stalin apologists. I wonder why they erect Stalin statue. Why not Hitler statue as well in the middle of Leningrad. They can then stare at each other and we can debate which one of them should be taken down first.

	21-01-2005 06:30									#222
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right, you're just trolling. That happens when you run out of facts and information.

PS, I'm sure many factories existed in Leningrad or near it, that supplied the war against us throughout the war. Leningrad starved us and the citizens of it were directly responsible for murdering our civilians. That's about the same as your claims and makes about the same amount of sense.

	21-01-2005 06:56									#223
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I'm not trolling you. I'm laughing at you. Everyone else understand exactly what I wrote, and agrees with me and sees that you're just a tempest in a teapot.

Okay, I have trolled a couple of times, when I get irriated that you won't simply accept the simple fact that if you had not acted, Leningrad wouldn't have starved. Sure, it's fun watching you get apoppleptic when I say you're Nazi stooges, but then you go and lob me something like that dancing to German covers, without realizing that so frigging ironic!

	21-01-2005 07:00									#224
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again, everyone who?

Yeah of course it's ironic the video. You saw I wrote the comment myself? It was a joke. I guess you didn't get it. That I wrote it on purpose.

And no, because it IS a matter of interpretation. You can interpret it like that. But you claim many facts to be irrelevant. How is not cutting the road of life irrelevant? I think it is VERY relevant. Had not acted is exactly what we did you see. Had we acted, there wouldn't be much room for interpretations.

	21-01-2005 07:03									#225
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka again, everyone who?

Everyone else who's posted besides you and laurentis.

	21-01-2005 07:07									#226
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Yeah its a bit lonely at the top

	21-01-2005 07:09									#227
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che, solomwi and sava? Wow, the jury is not out there anymore!

	21-01-2005 07:13									#228
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka che, solomwi and sava? Wow, the jury is not out there anymore!

And Sprayber, and Spiffor, and even Gangerolf understood what I was trying to say, when I wasn't trolling.

Anyway, I see no more point in continuing this pointless discussion. I made my point, and only you Finns are too embarressed to admit I'm right.

	21-01-2005 07:15									#229
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embarrased? I'm not embarrased. You should be the one embarrased.

	21-01-2005 07:16									#230
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I'm not the one that can't admit what my country did.

	21-01-2005 07:22									#231
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Country didn't do anything. Stalin brought it all upon himself. If you fail to recognize the fault of Stalin, that's not good.

SU can blame only Stalin for the casualties and victims that came from battling us.

You know, you rarely hear Finns crying about SU killing so many of us for no reason at all. What is it with you anyway. SU uuh boohoo so many dead, well what about us, and we didn't even start it?!? You know. Take that back to the bank and stop *****ing about the rest with your incomplete facts.

	21-01-2005 07:33									#232
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Thats right Chegitz, Stalin brought it all upon himself. He himself cut Leningrads supply from NW by attacking Finland. He was responsible for the starvation.

	21-01-2005 10:34									#233
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You guys are priceless.

	21-01-2005 10:39									#234
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Well we're not the ones erecting the statue of a massmurderer, are we?

	21-01-2005 10:41									#235
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Well we're not the ones erecting the statue of a massmurderer, are we?

Whine to the Russians. I've got nothing to do with that.

	21-01-2005 10:48									#236
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Whine to the clouds about Leningrad. This be the wrong address. Like said, only SU and commie symphatizers always do that.

	21-01-2005 10:51									#237
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F the Stalin monument


The Ted Striker Monument

	21-01-2005 10:57									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Whine to the clouds about Leningrad.

I'm not whining about Leningrad. I made a simple statement of fact. You, apparently, are so overwhelmed with guilt by the fact that your country sided with the greatest evil ever known to humanity, that you are in denial. You should take after the Germans, except what you did, and learn to live with it and get over it.

	21-01-2005 11:06									#239
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Now you are passing judgement. Who do you think you are to do that? 'Neutral Observer' ??

I don't praise Hitler, I don't praise Stalin, they were both as wrong as person can be, and you should know that. Your statements are not based on facts, simply because you can not show it. Come on. Show, prove how we starved the city. Don't just stop by saying we were near the city. I know where we were. So, how did we do it? Come on. If you can't show it, then stop passing judgements, because you have no authority to do that.

	21-01-2005 11:09									#240
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Show, prove how we starved the city.

I have, multiple times. You refuse to accept it, so there's no real point in continuing that discussion.