27-01-2005 13:32									#91
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What's wrong with marshlands then? I love them, they're even better in real life where you get all the mosquitos as well

	27-01-2005 15:18									#92
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I'm currently in negoitiating for entry to a team. i'd like to lurk and watch how the game pans out...


Oh, and NO AP.

	27-01-2005 16:03									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot We would tentatively like to reserve the Mongols and "Blood Oath Gang" as team name discussions are underway

For a Democracy Game, eh?

Bloody Hell..I say

I'll show ya a blood oath

	27-01-2005 16:47									#94
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very very sad

	27-01-2005 17:11									#95
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I am happy to announce that BOG has now finished building the Statue of Zeus in El Hak-ala-Hak-el-Hak.


We recommend everyone else to Panick.



It won't make much difference though, except to keep our ACs amused. Which is all for the best as you *really* don't want to meet them when they're angry.



In case I wasn't being perfectly clear earlier, I'm with Paddys gang. Looking forward to playing *with* him for a change. I think I have a substantial lead in killed units btw, while Paddy has razed more cities.

	27-01-2005 17:19									#96
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indeed we have

leave their cities in ruins be the catch cry of many of my nations

	27-01-2005 18:50									#97
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Im with Snoopy in advocating AP it does speed the game up

	27-01-2005 18:57									#98
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indeed we need the ap

even more so now that aqua does not want it

	27-01-2005 19:04									#99
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Thanks for your response snoopy, and keeping an open mind on this issue.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 I think more than 2 settlers is actually a good idea - I'm thinking 6 settlers 3 warriors, which means 3 size 3 cities to start with. (Takes a good amount of money to start with of course)

That seems like overkill to me. One of the most interesting parts of Civ3 even in PBEM is the early-game, where you have to balance exploration, research, defense, expansion, etc. Your proposal would all but eliminate this phase from the game.

I guess we're both envisioning different ways this game will/should play out: you want large armies, large empires, and a big bloodbath; I want few cities, less room, and strategic play. Both our setups lend for a quick game. In fact, I would argue that with 70-80% water (and maybe 6 teams) the game would go a lot faster. Sure, it might end before the Industrial era, but that's fine, CIV will be out way before then. Pushing a lot of units around just makes turns take longer and does not (for me at least) improve the PBEM experience.

And that's my 0.02$.

	27-01-2005 19:06									#100
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I almost forgot. I propose:

2 Settlers
2 Workers
2 Warriors
+ guaranteed bonus Food at/near the starting location

	27-01-2005 19:10									#101
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so Dominae, I hear what you are saying about your starter pack and map size, just where do you stand on the AP issue?

	27-01-2005 19:16									#102
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I reiterate.....AP will spoil this game. I'm for either 2 or a maximum of 3 settlers, 80% water and lots of close contact between our teams.

Bring it on!

	27-01-2005 19:29									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot so Dominae, I hear what you are saying about your starter pack and map size, just where do you stand on the AP issue?

With the map settings I proposed above, I think the game will move along fast enough that AP will not be needed.

Fight early, fight often, keep the turns moving.

Note: I do not condone violence.

	27-01-2005 19:54									#104
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I just did a quick scan through the thread and have discovered two things.

Thing Number 1 - There sure are a lot of windbags in this game. They're called "posts" not "term papers".

Thing Number 2 - AP loses big time in a popularity contest. Only Paddy, Snoopy and OPD want such a feature. MCMeadows, 1889, Bongo, Aqua, Domine, Solomwi, and Krill say no way.

Regardless of whether the game ends on time or not, I find that no AP is more fun. I also think the game will be plenty fast with 4 team members available to play. Discuss your strategy then let whoever is available play the turn.

	27-01-2005 20:11									#105
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quote: Originally posted by 1889 AP loses big time in a popularity contest.

Hear hear, old fella......it's pretty clear. AP is dead in this game before it's started. The thread has spoken! Long live the thread!!!!

	27-01-2005 21:23									#106
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I think Dominae´s starter pack sounds pretty good.

No AP sounds good as well.


And please, try the fish ...

	27-01-2005 22:55									#107
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Another vote for Dom's starter pack, and his rationale.

And NO to AP.

	27-01-2005 23:04									#108
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quote: Originally posted by bongo ...... while Paddy has razed more cities.

Too bad they were his own.

	27-01-2005 23:11									#109
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Agreeing on (smallish) starter pack.
Voting no to AP.

	27-01-2005 23:39									#110
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There's a concensus against AP then.

quote: few cities, less room, and strategic play.

will probably be workable to give a faster pace. Assuming starter packs aswell.
Should it be 2 or 3 settlers/workers/warriors?

and more importantly

quote: guaranteed bonus Food at/near the starting location

this should be at least 2 city sites capable of 5 excess food per nation.

	27-01-2005 23:54									#111
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I have an idea for speeding up the game...

Starting it!

	27-01-2005 23:59									#112
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I'd like to join too. I'm able to play evenings GMT and my time zone is +2 GMT

	27-01-2005 23:59									#113
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Just so that people know, I have been accepted into the Conqs team.

	28-01-2005 00:20									#114
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WooHoo! The Unclassified Team kicks a$$!

	28-01-2005 00:52									#115
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Domineas starting pack sound good to me 2 of each unit.

I've got no strong opinion on food availability.

	28-01-2005 00:53									#116
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Speaking of teams. Are we dividing up by time zones or how does this work?

	28-01-2005 02:45									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Beta joncnunn is in and has joined team Babylon.

For the record, I'm in GMT -06:00.

I'll be more involved in the big picture long term than day to day, and relaying more upon the screen shots in our private forum.

	28-01-2005 02:52									#118
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Best way for a fast game:

Tiny Map Size + NO AIs + Pangena + highest water setting.

No extra settlers needed, it would be survival of the fittist pretty rapidally.

	28-01-2005 03:43									#119
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I'm still up for a starter pack of two settlers. I am indifferent about the food tile thing.

ormuzd - I appreciate the desire to get it going, but the one thing we have learned from previous demo games is that a little investment up front - particularly in determining the game start and the game guidelines, can go a LONG way to making for a better game.

	28-01-2005 05:02									#120
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Beta, was that really directed at me? If so, point taken. Everyone agreeing on rules is a good thing.