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Egypt to Rome:
Glad to hear that our trade deal was acceptable.
Egypt to Persia:
We'd like to offer once again our offer of 10 talents grain per turn for 10 talents of your cattle per turn.
Egypt to Macedonia:
It's come to our attention that we no longer need your fish, but we'd be happy to trade 5 talents of your salt for 5 talents of our paper. Sound good?
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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001
time: 07:29
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Rome to Carthage
That sounds about right. How much in talents do you believe this could be worth? 12-14 talents per turn each?
to clarify things further:
If I'm correct we have 2x iron where you have 1x salt thus making half of each to be 1x iron from Rome to 1/2 salt from Carthage. By looking it this way it seems inevitable that Rome exports value more than its imports thus generating us a trade surplus out of this deal
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Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
Now Micha, Hannibal had only two War Elephants when he was in Italy. I guess they did quite a lot of damage, so why did an army of 100 War Elephants do so little? Even in Lord of the Rings, there were only about 10 Mumakil, the Haradrim term for War Elephants. Maybe there should be less War Elephants, and make them cost many more talents? |
I'm not sure that's a ligitimate historical document.
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Egypt to Lydia:
Welcome! To begin with, we'd like to offer you 4 talents of our paper for 4 talents of your pottery? Sound good?
OOC: Getting paper will give you a 3% increase in your base funding (Check the first page in this thread, it explains it nicely). That means it's a win-win situation for both of us- I get 4 talents a turn from you, and you get a 3% increase in economy. It's really even better than that- you get those talents right back because I buy your pottery, for the exact same benefit to myself.
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appleciders
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Egypt to Lydia:
Just be careful not to become a pirate nation yourself.
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the thievery continues
Nov 2002
time: 21:29
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The following are the items we desire to import. We will trade resources or cash for any of the following:
copper, gems, cattle, furs, dyes, oil, ivory, spices, silk, incense, flax, glasswares, tea, amber, tin
The following are the items we have available to trade. We have enough fish and wine to trade with two countries, the other resources we only have enough of to trade with one country. Listed with each item are the countries, as near as we could tell, who could benefit from given item.
we have
fish, Sparta, Lydia, Rome, bosporan Greeks, (2 nations)
marble, Persia, Sparta, Bosporan Greeks
horses, Lydia, Rome, Egypt, Bosporan Greeks,
silver, Sparta, Lydia, Rome, Egypt, Bosporan Greeks,
gold, Sparta, Lydia, Rome, Egypt, bosporan Greeks
honey, Persia, Lydia, Rome, Egypt, Bosporan Greeks
wine, Persia, Sparta, Lydia, (2 nations)
fabrics, Sparta, Bosporan Greeks
The following are the items we desire to import. We will trade resources or cash for any of the following:
copper, Persia
gems, Persia
cattle, hmmm. Persia
furs, Persia, Bosporan Greeks.
dyes, and Persia
oil, just Persia
spices, yep, Persia
silk, could it be…Persia
glasswares, the winner is—Persia!
tea, Persia. Oh what a surprise.
blood of newborn infants, Persia. Again.
uranium, mighty Persia.
lima beans, (seeing a pattern yet??!!) Persia
moose (that’s plural, wiseass), Persia.
energizer batteries, Target. Ha! Eat that Persian pigdogs! Your monopoly is broken! I shall dance in proletarian joy!
Macedonia to Athens :
Here is why 20 talents are fair. When you joined us, all the lands then under your dominion increased the net revenues to our coffers by 20 talents/turn. We released these funds back to you consistently. You used all of them, every time, to improve the city of Athens but not the other considerable lands these funds were supposed to cover. We spent funds to provide for and improve these other lands, and we continued to spend money on Athens. In recognition of the many fine intellectual and cultural contributions Athens provides, we will continue to release 20 talents/turn to Athens alone (provided they are spent) and provide for the other lands with additional funds. But please do not ask us to spend additional money on Athens right now. Perhaps later, when we might have money to splurge, we will not be so sparing, but currently our treasury requires careful rationing.
Macedonia to Rome :
Oh, the king is feeling much better now. We are glad we all were able to work this out. Senatus populesque Romanum bene diu vivant.
Macedonia to Egypt :
5 talents/turn salt for 5 talents/turn paper, sounds good.
trade route see above.
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appleciders
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Egypt to Macedonia: We'll begin importing horses at 4 talents\turn.
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Micha
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Technical University of Ilmenau, Germany
Oct 2002
time: 06:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
Now Micha, Hannibal had only two War Elephants when he was in Italy. I guess they did quite a lot of damage, so why did an army of 100 War Elephants do so little? Even in Lord of the Rings, there were only about 10 Mumakil, the Haradrim term for War Elephants. Maybe there should be less War Elephants, and make them cost many more talents? |
You are right, I have thought about reducing their numbers as well.
Now to explain the battle result:
The Pharao of Egypt has provided a detailed source on anti-elephant warfare, after which he sent an even more detailed order of battle for his troops. His tactical plans, PMed to me, covered almost every possible situation and thus made me put the Egyptians in a favourable position.
He spent a fair portion of his budget on the pigkeeper brigade and explained where it has to be positioned and when it was to be used.
The Carthaginians had two negative modifiers and one positive:
* The army marched several months through the desert without proper care for supplies
* The elephants encountered the pigs for the very first time
* The leader is a great general, managing to almost eradicate the Egyptians despite the loss of his main charge force
As I have stated numerous times before, battle results may be heavily influenced by orders and story. Especially since the tactics involved are actually taken from the later Roman standard battleplans.
Pigs will be less effective when they are expected. So this was, at least for Egypt-Carthage, a one time situation.
On a side note, the "oliphants" in LotR were some thirty meters tall (90 feet?) and thus make only for a very very weird comparison with actual elephants 
Now for the trade:
Do you guys feel it would be better to introduce actual amounts of ressources?
This would require:
* National needs per ressource
* Amounts added to the ressources already given
* many more ressources added, since those already there only resemble deposals that can supply the entire population
* Fractal calculation of ressource effects on efficiency
* more investigations about the actual ressource deposals at that time
While it would allow for:
* Much improved trade system, since with money+amount it´s possible to determine who´s going to drive a bargain
* Possibility to be a merchant nation, buying stocks from original suppliers in large quantities and then selling them to other nations in small bits for a good profit
* Much better historical correctness, as most sites grew grain and many ports produced fish
* Having ressources that one shouldn´t sell because they just barely supply the own population...
* Ability to hamper an enemie´s trade and efficiency by cutting him off a supply, although he has the same ressource at another site, too (Persia, Rome and Carthage have several ressources on multiple places, so right now it´s very hard to cut them off that supply)
Update will start once Laurentius of Rome gets his orders in
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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001
time: 07:29
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One forgotten traderoute:
Sparta(ambrosia)- Rome (iron)
(?)-(4)
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