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It really depends; will laurentius agree to back down if Magna Grecia were under new leadership? If so, then Magna Grecia's a good choice. But 1889, I joined just a turn ago and chose not to go with Lydia because it's a tiny little state between two bigger ones that could squash it like a bug. Egypt looked like it was a little more of an action zone; nothing has ever happened in Lydia, they've just kind of been there. Or did they get attack by pirates once? Anyway, it's a very quiet corner of the world since Persia and Macedonia have little interest in each other. I'd say you should consider Bosporian Greece; they've got no enemies and lots of room to expand.

In any case, teal is Persia, ruled by Bipolarbear; yellow is Egypt, ruled by yours truly, the lighter pink is Carthage, ruled by Lord Nuclear; the duller pink is Sparta, an NPC; the bright pink is Crete, another NPC; Dark green is Macedonia, ruled by Foolish_Icarus; Light green is... some kind of little tiny alliance amongst the cities in the region, NPC; purple is Lydia, an NPC; Blue is Magna Graecia, NPC; and finally orange is Bosporian Greek, an NPC.

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Fine, fine, Egyptian Orders:
Scavenge the battleground where Carthage was fought last turn for weapons and armor that might be distributed amongst the troops.

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The King of Macedon has 70 thousands soldiers, 125 triremes, 118 talents available to spend, a fairly substantial and currently wounded ego, little self control, and an inability to grasp the significance of consequences.
Normally this isn't a problem, but unfortunately, the queen, that soothing and sensible woman who normally inserts calming doses of reason, dignity, and practicality into the stubborn king's fantastical whims and violent tempers, is off at some Thessalian spa taking a well deserved but untimely vacation.
And now, this rather unbalanced fellow who happens to be leader of a not insignificant regional power, is stark howling mad. Not crazy--at least no more than usual--but really, seriously, very signicantly, fueled-by-harsh-Moesian-liquors-and-an-unhealthy-dosage-of-Persian-stimulants-as-well-as-a-sense-of-abandonment-and-some-Freudian-issues, rip-roaring, frothing-at-the-mouth, courtier-biting, animal-instincts mad.
He is scaring the children.
Please, think of the children.
And it's not as if his mood is entirely unjustified. After all, he sent messages to the neighboring countries like a proper head of state. He entreated the leaders and lawmakers of those nations like a friend, like an ally, like a brother. He was calm. He was cautious. He was sensible. He read their assembled politicians a ****ing children’s story. But now, by Zeus’ left nut, for the sake of all that is good and holy in this forsaken world, if he doesn’t get SOME kind of response, and most advisably a satisfactory response, from his wayward western neighbors, there are going to be problems.
He is not a big man, but he is full of hate. And he has 40 generations of inbred barbarian warlord bloodlust and an enormous assemblage of skilled murderers and assassins just itching to unleash the most inhuman, horrible pain and destruction imaginable upon whatever population they have their cold merciless spears pointed at.

Happy thoughts, people.
Happy, soothing thoughts.
Calm. Happy.

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Who is this aimed at?

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The world.
Or perhaps, if the king hasn't lost his grip on reality, it is directed at the Greek-cities-that-used-to-be-but-no-longer-are-part-of-Magna-Graeca (GCTUTBBNLAPOMG, or in Greek, Gatobonalapomgos), and Rome.
Don't worry Carthage, the rage a sovereign feels from being put in a tense diplomatic situation and then being ignored is altogether different from the rage he would feel at one of his nation's religion's most holy sites being defiled and his people's food and mercantile supplies being threatened. The one is born of tension and fear, the other is born of pure righteous anger.

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Carthaginians seem to be a much calmer and rational people than the Macedonians.

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Well Micha, I think I'm trading quite a lot of wine to the Romans, but I'm not sure how much fabric I'm getting.

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Tassadar, why don't you pick a new nation that is actually important? Or actually has land? Crete, Magna Graecia, Bosporian Greeks, or Sparta.

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To: Rome
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If you destroy Magna Graecia, we ask that you let us have Sicilia, since we will have to pull out due to the sheer amount and experience of the Magna Graecian army that is stationed in Syracruse.

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Rome to Macedonia and Greek cities in the North

As a sign of friendship and respect to Macedonia. Rome will refrain from military operations in the North. Pyrrhus and his army must be csuhed though. We can do this by ourselves and with the help from Spartans and appreciate our honorable neighbours patience regarding our initial reaction to this threat to Rome. Dear Macedonians, we are sorry if we have offended you in any way.

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Micha I'm trading a lot of fabrics with the Carthage too but I really dont have any specific figures right here. I asked my trade advisor about that and she said that going through the accounts with abacus is going to take at least a week.

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Rome to Carthage

I'm sorry we cant do that. There is a third state involved who we cant and wont speak for. Besides such matters are premature.

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Rome to Egypt

Hello Farao. We seem to have some little problems with elephants. How did you scared them Carthagian phants away? We heard something about pigs!? How does that work excatly?

And yeah, those trade terms are acceptable due to the possible hazards in our waters.

Vale Bene,
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Btw it would be cool to read stories about life in Persia and Carthage too. I mean thats what this is right, a never ending story

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Stories from Persia and Carthage

So did Rome cancel the fabrics trade with Carthage? If not, just set a default term like 8 t/t...

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Hey dude, shouldnt you be sleeping or something?

Dont let this ruin your exam

And no, we have not canceled anything as far as I know. Actually as we speak my trade advisor came up with the latest figures wich seem to point out more towards 10-12 t/t income...

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Yeah, you´re right... Don´t worry about me, till now everything went extraordinarily fine!

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I should be posting some stories next turn, and there will be multiple chapters.

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I wont be able to send my orders in 10 hours. I could in 15 hours though

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To: Rome
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Well, you must let us keep Panormos. It is ours, after all.

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Rome to Kart Hadasht

Of course.

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Rome rejects Athens generous offer but offers Tassadar the technology of spamming

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Of course.



I assume you meant Carthage?

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Yes. I though it would be polite to refer to it in its own language

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Just some interesting facts. Carthage used the Phoenician alphabet, but spoked a slightly different dialect. Carthage was a mix of Roman/Greek culture, and African culture, thus making a rather weird religion, including child sacrifice. Hannibal the Great was considered a good general because he brought his troops into the Roman lands for years, against a force 15x his, and had to climb over the Alps.

Now Micha, Hannibal had only two War Elephants when he was in Italy. I guess they did quite a lot of damage, so why did an army of 100 War Elephants do so little? Even in Lord of the Rings, there were only about 10 Mumakil, the Haradrim term for War Elephants. Maybe there should be less War Elephants, and make them cost many more talents?

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After some reading, I also have found out that there was a small Jewish population in Cyrene, and that it was heavily influenced by Hellenistic culture, not Persian culture.

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It is true that out of the 34 elephants Hannibal took with him to cross the Alps only few, maybe 6 survived. However shortly after his great victory at Cannae, a fleet from Africa brought a reinforcement of Numidians along with 40 additional elephants. So he had quite a few elephants to fight against Rome.

Michas decision may be backed by the fact that Egyptians were very familiar with elephants and thus knew how to route them. Appleciders might have brought this up in his orders

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After some reading, I also have found out that there was a small Jewish population in Cyrene, and that it was heavily influenced by Hellenistic culture, not Persian culture.


Yes and whats interesting too is how most of Alexandrias inhabitants were jewish during the Roman period. In fact there were more jews living in Alexandriathan Jerusalem itself! A million some say. Are you jewish yourself?

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Yes, I am. Laurentius, I'm not talking about the Egyptian case specifically, but in general. In one of the earliest updates, Micha states one elephant could turn the tide of a battle, and a few dozen seem impossible to beat.

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To: Rome
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We wish to trade even more with you. Would you like any wine, grain, salt, ivory, fish, silver, and/or slaves? You have none of these resources, if my sources are correct.

 
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