29-01-2005 08:52									#1
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Opening the save.

	29-01-2005 08:54									#2
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Opening Diplomacy:

RP sends 150g+WM accepted.
Vox sends Military Tradition accepted.

	29-01-2005 09:00									#3
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Builds:

EotS finishes Bomber.
Bolderberg finishes Sub.
Tornado finishes Battleship.
Typhoon finishes Sub.
Sandstorm finishes Settler.
Monsoon finishes Sub.

	29-01-2005 09:03									#4
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First look:

ND has placed 2 cities on Lego. They've got an undefended Settler ready to build a possible IW city.

GoW has placed another city on Lego.

Vox has placed another city on Lego.

ND has moved 4 DD into view of our ships on the W coast. The Frigate has moved S.

	29-01-2005 09:12									#5
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Military Advisor:

ND:

1 Settler (-2)
38 Worker
20 Marine
14 Cavalry
58 Infantry (-6)
52 Tank (+12)
7 MI (+6)
1 Frigate
17 Transport
1 Sub
8 Destroyer (+3)
1 Battleship
18 Bomber
4 Ansar

GoW:

2 Settler (+2)
20 Worker (-3)
2 Explorer
31 Marine
10 Cavalry
48 Infantry
56 Tank (+1)
52 Artillery
27 Transport
6 Carrier (+1)
1 Sub
19 Destroyer (+1)
1 Nuke Sub (+1)
3 Fighter (+1)
24 Bomber (+6)
2 Rider

	29-01-2005 09:20									#6
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Ok, ND has moved an Infantry onto the Uranium Mountain on Lego. Hmmm.

Killdaria safely sabatoge is 7212.
Borcem is 2646.
Tempest needs 7 turns to complete the UN.

	29-01-2005 09:31									#7
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GoW makes nuke sub, yuke. ND +12 tanks and converted 6 infantry to MI and +3 DD.

A bit scary, since they were just fine with what they had vs GoW. Either they want more defense for Legoland or they have expansion on their minds.

Do we have Uranium. I forget or do we even have the tech? Well I guess so if you know that UR is on a mountain on Legoland.

Do we stil want to drain off cash from RP or get them to do something useful with it to get defended or move?

Why make a 6th carrier? Is that the best thing to do?

	29-01-2005 09:43									#8
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I am having CPU heat problems. Just locked up.

I'm going to have to figure out what the problem is before starting the game back up. My Athlon XP @ 2.0GHz never used to get higher than 46C at load with this setup, but lately jumps up to 53C+ when I start up a game and idles a few degrees higher than it should. This was the first crash though.

	29-01-2005 11:00									#9
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Try adding another fan, preferbly a quite one.

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I have 4 80MM case fans fans (all 31cfm and 21dba ). The ambient case temperature is good, staying around 32C Idle and 35C load. I took a look at everything and the video card's fan wasn't working (Old Radeon 8500 LE). Probably was that that caused the lockup, but I'm still in the dark why the CPU is running so much hotter than it was just a couple days ago.

	29-01-2005 12:39									#11
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Well, underclocked the CPU and it seems to be holding up fine now. Starting back in on the save, everything replayed as it was.

	29-01-2005 12:59									#12
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I just noticed our S Galley didn't wake even though there is a ND DD in range. Pulling back the 2 Galleys.

I'll post a picture of the situation on the W coast. Not sure what ND is doing. Moving their DD's out to sea and putting an Infantry on the Uranium looks like a blantant provocation on their part.

	29-01-2005 13:09									#13
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Attacked the Barb Camp (on a Mountain... scary! ) with a Tank. First attack 5/5. Second attack 4/4 with a second Tank.

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Are we ready? Events suggest something is in motion and it is most likely headed towards us.

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I'll post a summary screenshot. We're not ready, but we're close. If ND had hit us this turn they could've landed between OG and WW as we only had 1 MI fortified there.

	29-01-2005 13:31									#16
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Investigate Luxilou for 28g. I forget why I did this. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Oh yah. They can hit Monsoon from Luxilou without warning. I've used the Subs to verify that no other city on that part of the coast is at risk of being hit, and with no Transports in Luxilou, at most we could be hit with 1 Transport from Luxilou.

	29-01-2005 13:38									#17
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Perhaps we should try to talk to ND about this. maybe a limitation on Marine buildup would help ease the tensions if they can be eased... With MI not even ND can build enough Marines to break through in one turn. If they won't agree, then things become crystal clear.

Right now I am a bit worried that ND is only building the Marines as a potential counter-strike force. If that is the case then this buildup is needless. Certainly we'll be prepared as best we can, but if it can be avoided we should at least try.

Also no one can build Nukes until Space Flight.

	29-01-2005 13:46									#19
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OG and WW both have Civil Defenses.

There are 8 MI on the Fortress inbetween them.

7 MI, 2 Tanks, 3 Artillery, 6 Bombers, 2 Fighters in OG.
6 MI, 4 Tanks, 4 Artillery in WW.
4 MI in Bolderberg.
5 MI in Monsoon.
4 MI on Monsoon 1. (the third tile ND could land on without warning, granted with only 1 Transport this turn.)

	29-01-2005 13:55									#20
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I've loaded up just about everything on Lego. It will take 3 turns for all of it to get back. 2 Transports (MI and Elite Tanks, and our one surviving Marine) will be back next turn, and 2 others (Tanks) the next. Our forces on Lego total 5 Infantry at this point. 4 in the harbor and 1 in RSE. we could land all our units into the harbor city next turn if necessary (and it's still there). I think in out and out warfare I'd prefer to have the units back on Stormia ASAP regardless though.

	29-01-2005 14:18									#21
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It looks like GoW is to 364 shields on it's UN build and ~90spt. That puts them at 8 more of their turns.

ND is at 126 shields and 126spt. That puts them at 7 more of their turns. They would beat GoW by 2 turns.

We need 7 more of our turns to finish the UN. ND gets their next turn first. We can't beat them.

	29-01-2005 14:22									#22
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We could use the UN as a perfect prebuild for the Internet though. By upping our research to 70% we basically break even on cash (150g from RP + 25g from Barb) and finish Miniaturization in 7 more turns. So ND would build the UN and we'd have to switch our build to the Internet.

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How long would it take to invade, if we did so?

	29-01-2005 14:55									#24
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Just woke up... my brain is a bit underclocked as well atm

ND on the uranium is a clear provocation. It is our only source, right? I suggest we send a firm message to them asking why they do this.

We've got to watch out with the UN prebuild: in case the UN gets build by GoW, the prebuild is gone, and we have to be out of mob to start the internet. So, we've got to offer peace 1 turn before that time, or destroy Lego in the same turn.

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	29-01-2005 14:57									#25
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Diplomacy:

Offer RP New Inchon, Cape of Bad Weather, Leonid Point, Cumulus Ranch, Fort Spinebreaker, Windswept, Deluge, Cloudburst, Thunder Peaks, Dust Devil. Also Radio.

This will mean we don't have Oil at the start of next turn. Not a problem as we can pillage our Oil and rebuild the roads to break the deal giving away our Oil. I would rather not have the Fortress there anyways.

	29-01-2005 14:59									#26
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At the minimum we need 7 turns to get the Transports ready. Not sure how many Marines we can get together in that time too though.

	29-01-2005 15:01									#27
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ND is still running 90% reseach, so normally next turn we won't be bombed by nukes. I thought ICBMs came from space flight, while tacts came from rocketry? Or didn't I read your post like it was intended?

Further, the 6 CVs of GoW: It's easier for them to build more CVs, then it is to sail their existing ones to our coasts. More CVs gives them more mobility as well: by creating a couple of groups all around Bob, they can hit Vox, ND, and us, without spending resources on bombers.
We only have one defense for this: fighters. Which we thoroughly lack right now... I hope these will become priorities soon (I agree Navy is more important)

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	29-01-2005 15:02									#28
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ND might have been there as a sort of retaliation for our Elite Tank being on "their side" (or at least GoW's) after taking out the Barb camp. The Tank was on a source of Saltpeter... that's important stuff!

Otherwise it doesn't make much sense. If ND is coming for us and doesn't care if we know, they would have just pillaged it and fortified. If they are coming and wanted to hide their intentions as much as possible, why give such a clue as to their agression?

	29-01-2005 15:04									#29
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Tacticals come with Space Flight. ICBMs with Satellites.

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quote: Originally posted by Aeson Diplomacy: Offer RP New Inchon, Cape of Bad Weather, Leonid Point, Cumulus Ranch, Fort Spinebreaker, Windswept, Deluge, Cloudburst, Thunder Peaks, Dust Devil. Also Radio.

And flight? If I remember correctly, this is the turn in which we are free to trade it around!

quote: This will mean we don't have Oil at the start of next turn. Not a problem as we can pillage our Oil and rebuild the roads to break the deal giving away our Oil. I would rather not have the Fortress there anyways.

Ermm... forgive my sleepiness, but why? RP is receiving oil from us right now. They will get their own source at the start of next turn. So immediately the deal gets cancelled, and we get our own source back, no?

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