15-02-2005 22:55									#31
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quote: We shouldn't leave a wounded tiger behind. Better cripple them definetly.

Yeah you're probably right vishniac, I was just checking

On another note, there is a solar flare next year, which means all bases produce triple energy. This is extra fun since Morgania will be drone-rioting due to losing the PTS

	15-02-2005 23:05									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen On another note, there is a solar flare next year, which means all bases produce triple energy. This is extra fun since Morgania will be drone-rioting due to losing the PTS

The RNG gods like us. Talk about good timing.

	16-02-2005 00:34									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen On another note, there is a solar flare next year, which means all bases produce triple energy. This is extra fun since Morgania will be drone-rioting due to losing the PTS

Oh my god, they'll be losing maybe thousands of EC due to our strike

quote: I think you picked your career wisely,as you'll soon have plenty of spare time to polish your medals and yell at recruits

	16-02-2005 03:18									#34
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And if these 5 colony pods are still en-route to their sites, they'll only have an extra 5 pops in lieu of the 15 they are expecting to have

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	16-02-2005 13:14									#35
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Will the Morgans relocate crawlers to maximize energy output? There seems to be river squares between MMussels and MIndustries. Let's hope they don't put too many crawlers there.

	16-02-2005 16:40									#36
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Hem, , I just wanted to add not to forget to scrap and recycle bases facilities before we obliterate (in case someone forgets ).

	19-02-2005 01:47									#37
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You've got to love arginine's comment in the general forums:

quote: You know, if negotiations had happened regarding territorial waters, there would be a whole lot less B.S. and ambiguity and you guys could have a profitable peace or a REAL war. (On the other hand negotiations might have happened in the last 10 years without me knowing).

Arginine, at least, does not seem to know about the very real war which is about to hit them I would also say that his disapproval of our negotiation skills is a good indication that they actually bought our stalling tactics I'd say they're in for a rude awakening.

	19-02-2005 01:56									#38
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It does warm my heart to realize that our stalling maneuvre has worked perfectly and lulled them into that oh so dangerous sense of false security the high point of my career, certainly.

	19-02-2005 05:26									#39
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Yes, this has been some of the finest diplomatic maneuvering I have ever witnessed, and undoubtedly the most daring and ingenious operation in ACDG history.

It's interesting that we haven't heard anything from the Morganites about our artillery bombardment of paraminia. Maybe they have realized that the time for diplomacy has passed.

	19-02-2005 05:57									#40
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I have to agree with you there Zeiter, if we can pull this off, it's the stuff of legends. A crushing blow out of the blue - and we can spin it into a defensive action, no less. It's as if in WW2 the Allies suddenly come up with a million troops with which to make a succesful landing in France in 1942 when the German army is still stuck in Russia.

	19-02-2005 07:45									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Zeiter Yes, this has been some of the finest diplomatic maneuvering I have ever witnessed, and undoubtedly the most daring and ingenious operation in ACDG history.

My belief would be that history is a little longer than it would need to be for that comment to be true. The CyCon and Drones both had some classy diplomacy/war maneuvers in the last ACDG. The CyCon's being an offer from the Pirates for a treaty we found at the beginning of our turn, and the loss of 4 bases they found at the beginning of theirs. The Drones managing to take virtually an entire faction in a turn, but we knew war was soon.

Moreover, the 'diplomacy' involved in getting Archaic losing to abstain in the original ACDG was a high point.

	19-02-2005 19:18									#42
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Well, we can argue about calling it great after it is pulled off. Some might get drunk (with success), but hey - that is the point.

	20-02-2005 18:22									#43
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PTS is gone.

I posted the thing below in the War Council, but it probably should sit here. Will remove it from that post, once it is noticed here:


How about continuing the diplomatic illusion? Does it have any chance of success?

My first idea was just telling Morgan:

"Your stalling tactics in negotiations and your numerous transgressions against Sparta, have been recognized as a direct threat. We have deemed it necessary to use pro-active defeses and strike first. Enjoy." In other words, a simple "it is war" statement.

BUT, we might try this:

"Your insincerity and stalling tactics have lasted long enough. We have decided to take action to make absolutely sure you hear our words. Yes, it required a blow you would notice, and never forget. But we still hope our relations can return to normal.

Now you hopefully listen. We require you to:

• Immediately resume all per-turn payments you stopped without agreement.
  
• Return the 50 ecs payment you took for the lost probe. A payment we never agreed to give.
  
• Pay full reparation for the Hunter. Meaning the rushing cost of a similar unit.
  
• Returning to Treaty status with us.
  
• A tribute of XX ecs to stop further Spartan military actions. Yes, pay or suffer.

	20-02-2005 19:12									#44
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Nnngh. I already posted in the Morganite embassy the first suggestion for a message. Either we risk that one of them has already read it and change it to the peace offer, or we stay that way. I've edited the initial message out for the time being.

	20-02-2005 19:23									#45
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You mean the one with "enjoy" at the end, or a different version? How long was it there?

If you did, and they noticed, we can tell them you were bullied by the evil Modo, and the "correct" message was this new one.

Either way, this needs approval from more to be posted, methinks. The tribute amount for sure...

	20-02-2005 19:46									#46
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It was the "Enjoy" one, if toned down just a bit.

	20-02-2005 19:51									#47
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We prolly should send something to our Treaty partners - the Angels and the Gaians, before they open their turns and see the PTS gone - make sure we get in the spin from our perspective. After all, they both are losing commerce income with us due to their sanctions

EDIT: Ah, I see you have

	20-02-2005 20:04									#48
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I haven't with the Gaians, we've only discussed informing the Angels. Should I? The thought did cross my mind. Just PM CT the same speil I posted in the Angel diplo forum.

	20-02-2005 21:27									#49
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Sooo, what do you guys mean? No embassy messages to the Morganities? Why lose the opportunity to confuse them?

	20-02-2005 22:09									#50
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Oh, I have no opinion on this. A fake peace offering might be a good idea, yes. We just need to request something that's outrageous enough to pass as a legit offer, but not too outrageous to appear blatantly... outrageous.

	20-02-2005 22:12									#51
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I would call for 200 ecs as the tribute. Together with the Hunter and the 50 ecs, that more than pays for the upgrades made to kick them. And, they might even be up for it. Easy enough for them to pay, to show our sincerity.

Mind you, I am not proposing we stop planning a full-blown invasion at the same time.

	21-02-2005 08:39									#52
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That should set their ears burning and their hearts a-pounding

	21-02-2005 08:44									#53
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quote: That should set their ears burning

Mine certainly are

Now the crucial moment comes - how will the other two factions respond? To be honest, I have no idea. I'd put my money on them isolating themselves on the conflict altogether and leaving us to it - which of course is what I hope for, because if they join forces with Morgan, we may not need any betting wins because we'll have enough money to buy the farm, so to speak.

	21-02-2005 15:38									#54
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Either everyone is at work, or everyone is trying hard to get a good answer. They are scared.

	21-02-2005 16:35									#55
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Gaians tell that, according to all that happened in the last turn, they'll need more than 48h!
Lot of talks behind closed doors...

	26-02-2005 00:42									#56
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PM from arginine:

quote: Peace at what cost? I did think a bit and DESTROYING as opposed to CAPTURING Morgan Industries with the PTS would suggest an aim of inflicting damage on Morgan Industries (literally) instead of enriching the Spartan Federation. I am acting purely on my own accord and have not talked with the corporation on this matter and as such, probably have minimal influence on Corporate policy. What would the Federation want for peace with the Corporation? The Federation says it wants peace, but at what price? And as always, what I can say about the Corporation is limited due to my personal honor and I might deal further in the future. I'm also sure the Federation is knowledgable on the Corporation already. In vice versa, I don't want exposure to really secret information.

My reply:

quote: Hi arginine, We indeed spent and lost a lot of resources on the Morgan Industries raid. And a treaty proposal is waiting in the embassy. I'm reluctant though to tell you more, as I don't understand your position in or regarding the ACDG. If you have left the Corporation, why are you still interested in what's happening in the ACDG? Greetings, Maniac

Does anyone understand arginine's behaviour?

	26-02-2005 05:17									#57
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His actions make no sense. I think we should ignore him, it may simply be an attempt to confuse us like we have tried to mess with their respective minds. It's war, of course we intend to inflict damage on them. It's not a matter of enriching our own economy, it's a matter of winning the game, which means knocking out our enemies.

If this means they are reluctant to engage in an operation of war that causes harm to us but not any direct benefit to them, this might present an interesting new tidbit of information on their culture to consider - they simply aren't as foolhardy or aggressive when it comes to war as we are. In other words, if we can make direct invasion costly enough for them (so that their gains would be nonexistent while our losses might be even devastating), they will be loathe to engage in one.

	26-02-2005 07:08									#58
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arginine isn't a member of the Corporation anymore (and so his PM doesn't reflect Corporate mentality at all). That's exactly why I was wondering why he contacted me.

	26-02-2005 07:12									#59
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Well, he was the one who was my Morgan contact 30 turns ago when we were trying to get the Morgan-Sparta megapact off the ground

And just as I was consigned to sweeping out the military museum, maybe he was stricken from the shareholders' registry for his actions

	26-02-2005 09:04									#60
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I'm thinking he may have ditched the faction for IRL reasons - I don't see him getting kicked out of the Morganites unless he did something grossly incompetent or gamebreaking, because I'm sure every team will want to keep their members aboard.

And again, since arginine is not in any official capacity, I say we should ignore. It might be possible that the Morganites proper have approached him and just asked him to mess up with us a little.