26-02-2005 14:22									#61
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He even said that he's asking for personal reasons, no big deal, we could well ignore him. Let's certainly not give him any information.

	15-03-2005 19:49									#62
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A good thing we didn't tell him anything big, as he rejoined the Corporation a while ago...

He posted this message in the embassy btw, in reply to that thread I started about we supposedly having captured Paramiria.

quote: I wish to respond to Lt. Maniac's 2 month old statement, by saying I had terminated my employment 3 months ago (around mid december). Having been rehired by the corporation, I am looking at the happenings in the last 3 months. This is my first time in these forums in... 3 months.

I replied:

quote: Great to see you back Mr. Arginine. As for the message which started this thread, at the time it was written we were not aware you had left the Corporation. Hence the confusion. We realized this a while later though. With your return to active duty in the Corporation, we hope your faction will look more favourably towards a truce or peace treaty.

	13-04-2005 19:01									#63
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So ............

Do we offer one of the traditional"end vendetta" speeches?: (Hopefully no concensus for the third - we don't want to pay reparations)

quote: "This Vendetta wastes life and resources. Shall we pledge Blood Truce and have an end to it?"

or

quote: "Fighting between the two of us only allows the others to grow stronger. We should pledge Blood Truce before we destroy one another."

or

quote: "Your forces are formidable, and I see I was unwise to test your patience. Allow me to pledge Blood Truce and make amends."

	13-04-2005 19:46									#64
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None of the above, methinks. first we ask them what they would be willing to pay for peacy. If that doers not work, we give them a straight deal.

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	14-04-2005 02:12									#65
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Yes. I think we should try to give the appearance that while we are not desperate for peace, we wouldn't mind calling it off provided it's made worth our while by them. This means they won't figure out we actually want a white peace, and it will keep us from giving away the fact that we are in a precarious situation. IOW, give them as little leverage as possible.

	14-04-2005 11:51									#66
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Well, we have a more official answer:

quote: Hello Kass, I'd like to be pleasant but having suffered so badly at the hands of the Junta I wonder why we should reenter discussions. Has anything changed that should make you wish peaceful relations? I would be interested in peaceful relations free of attacks and threats. How would we be assured that you would not attack us, unlaterally change there terms of the peace or agreements we have with you? Normally, I would like peace but our past experience of 'peaceful' relations with Sparta have not been pleasant. How could we be assured that future dealings will not be the same? Mead

Some loose thoughts:

This does not look like they care for peace, or at least they seem reluctant to believe it. I mean, why else would they accuse us of "changing terms of agreements", if the are the ones who did so?

I would say something about members of the Juna thinking this has gone far enough. The action was spawned by their inacceptance of the Modo Doctrine, and now we feel enough has been done to make absolutely sure we meant it . We can, of course, keep killing the puny Morgan excuses for soldiers, but we might be willing to stop. If we get "reason" (read: cash) to do so.

If they ask about trust (and they surely will), kindly remind them who it was who mind-controlled a ship, and then tried to sneak two vessels inside our claimed territory. Make sure to show, that this was the main reason for the drastic actions that followed. Perhaps make it look like the Modo Doctrine (or "Spartan paranoia" ) rules our lives, because, unlike others, we know what damage can be done by units allowed too close. They will not believe, but hey - we all play our parts.

Then tell them, we would accept peace on precise terms: no entering the 8-tiles zone (with a possible agreement for Morgan bses that are closer) and an official (open) confirmation that Sparta will not attack or tke covert action against Morgan Industries for so and so may (to be discussed) turns. Kind of "take it or leave it".

Only then come up with the fact that the Angels are growing fast. For one, Morgan will know and understand that pretty well. Also, saying this almost instntly denies any chances of getting some cash out of the peace (Yes, I still believe we can do that.)

	14-04-2005 17:17									#67
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Yes, I think it's quite rich that they, THE AGGRESSOR, are trying to impose terms on us. How high and mighty of them. Hmm, I'll deliberate on this for a moment...

	14-04-2005 17:22									#68
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I think your approach, Modo, is a bit too straightforward yet. We should approach them from the high above to maintain our position - that is, make the cash demand right away. Remind them that they are the aggressor and that we are proposing peace only because we are indifferent on the matter and that it works for us either way. Also remind them that because of their initial attack, we have just as much distrust towards them as they have towards us, if not more - so the Junta will not take well to Morgan quibbling.

AFAIK there's no reason for us to hurry this, so we should put some honest fear of Spartans into them before we lower ourselves to the same level. I am not going to play this by their terms, we're being gracious here.

	14-04-2005 18:27									#69
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Oh, crap, looks like I was trying to be nice to Morgan. You are right, of course. And double kudos for making the talks even longer.

	14-04-2005 23:50									#70
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remember, too, that there's no monetary advantage to Morgan to a Treaty with us until 2169 (ie, the decade after our atrocity) - assuming that we even want a Treaty, rather than a simple Truce.

I might be a "dove" on this one, but I'd have a hard time keeping a straight face in asking for any kind of cash recompense from them. Surely our destruction of their SP and base, plus the units in the PTS raid, plus subsequent crawlers (including their 1/2 SP supercrawler), ect., etc., more than offsets their cessation of tech payments, and our loss of the Hunter, Mercury, the 4 rovers and the kamikazi noodle?

or is it just me?

	15-04-2005 00:27									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie or is it just me?

Yes, I think it is only you. They started the hostilities by ignoring our righteous claims. They have lost an important base and are losing units every turn since then. They pay or they keep losing units. Or worse.

It is clear for all involved that we are winning the war. Now, even if we worry about the Angels, and even if others see it, that does not change the situation of Morgan. We can still do as if we had big things to gain by invading them, for in fact - we have. We are not quite able to pull it off, but they do not know that for sure (they are probably suspecting it, though). What we can try to do is let them convince us the war needs to end. This way we turn them into the one wanting something, and possibly paying for peace. At the very least, we can do as if we were convinced to a mutual agreement - a straight truce.

As to the reason of starting talks again, I am sure Kassiopeia can give some vague hints of a "last chance for Morgan to live" kind of situation.

	15-04-2005 01:29									#72
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Yeah, I'm not too diehard on actually GETTING any money out of them, but the appearance of wanting recompensation gives us an edge over them. We need to make them want peace. We don't want to end up asking them for it.

	18-04-2005 03:28									#73
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No worries here. Seems like they will be delaying any talks as well...

Arginine:

quote: Since we are here and talking, I have a question about the past... In the early game, the idea of a Sparta-Morgan axis was floated a bit in both factions. Sparta had made some early gestures indicating a possible, future interest in an alliance after some rocky, yet successful trade negotiations. The Corporation gave mixed responses. Googlie's memo was leaked and caused a stir for being to much, to soon and the Federation had not agreed to it. Arginine's rambings came out in the resulting confusion, generating further paranoia. Later, the corporation made some minor overtures, which also recieved mixed responses. Both factions gave lukewarm responses, and further discussion did not follow up. Later on, things degraded to their current state. I am of the understanding that neither side as a whole wanted to aggressively pursue a joint alliance. The absence of terms for such an alliance inhibited serious discussion. As I had been repremanded for my leaked outburst, I could not offer information useful to help make terms of an alliance, but seeing the likelyhood of it coming to fruition low, I felt little desire to push it foward. Anyhow, that is the past. Real Life give rewards for its labors, so I spend most of my time here working for a tabloid. I would imagine that it would be conducive to peace, if there was some way that the Corporation would not have to maintain expensive garrisons on the eastern side of Morgania in peacetime to guard against any imediate changes of heart.

	23-04-2005 07:16									#74
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Just noticed your reply in the Morganic embassy, Kassi.

	23-04-2005 19:31									#75
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And this further:

quote: Posted in the embassy by Googlie Greetings: Although not unknown to you, I would like to present my credentials formally as the Chief External Affairs Officer of the Junta. Within the ranks of the Junta, with Lt Colonel Kassiopeia undertalking Project RL, necessitating some prolonged absences from Junta activities, the Spartan Federation has undergone some minor reallocations of responsibilkities, and I have been appointed Commanding Officer, External Affairs. I remain co-chair of the Junta with Colonel Maniac (Commanding Officer, Armed forces) and am also responsible for CRYPTEIA, our Intelligence Service. Sparta Engineering Corps, formerly my other responsibility, has now been folded into a new command - Infrastructure - which is commanded by Lt Colonel vishniac. Commander Modo heads up our Navy, while Lt Colonel Snoddasmannen is the Officer commanding our Air Forces. While this position is temporary, I would like to continue the discussion that Lt Colonel Kassiopeia commenced regarding peace between our factions Both our peoples have much to gain by a normalization of relations between us, but as you - and our Lt Colonel - have said, there is much mistrust to overcome. In passing, I see that now that we have forced the irascible Chairman to sue for peace terms he has turned his attention again to you - it seems that the Hive "needs" an enemy to soak up his vast military machine but found the Federation too much of a tough nut to swallow (to horribly mix metaphors) We have asked the Data Angels if they are interested in chairing a Planetary Peace Conference - many of these still-contentious issues between the Federation, the Corporation and the Gaian Union can doubtless be thrashed out in such a setting, if you and your pactmates are willing Regards, Colonel Googlie

	25-04-2005 04:03									#76
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reply from AndiD, and., as well, Morgan got DocAir (see their build list - I guess the free penetrator runs are a thing of the past)

quote: Posted by AndiD in the Embassy Greetings, Col. Googlie, on behalf of the Corporation I would like to thank you for your open introduction of yourself and the current organization of the Federation, as well as your proposal of a 1st Planetary Peace Conference (1PPC). Since Chief Diplomacy Officer Mead is currently coordinating all other diplomatic efforts of the Corporation through various channels as his daily duty, the Board of Directors has decided to appoint a special spokesperson - me - to express the opinion of the Corporation in matters dealing with the 1PPC. CDO Mead and all other Boardmembers will stay closely involved with this matter of course. As we stated on some occasions before, the Corporation is definitely interested in peace on Planet and subsequently in taking part in the 1PCC, since "Peace is good for business" (Morganic Rules of Acquisition Rev II, No. 47). We would also accept the Data Angels as neutral party and hosts of the 1PPC. It is a coincidence that we are currently formulating new long term strategic business plans on corporate level just right now. Given the current state of affairs, it should not be surprising that we did not include the Federation as potential business customer yet. But first prognoses show that it would be truly beneficial for both of us if we could be allowed access to the Spartan markets and vice versa again. Just to be able to validate our prognoses before the conference starts, what would be the most important gains from the Federation point of view? As a sign of goodwill in the light of your proposal, what would the Federation think of ceasing attacks on Morgan units? In return, we would offer strict adherence to the Modo Doctrine in the future. Additionally, as you might have noticed we did not offensively return fire on any Spartan attack in the last years, not to worsen the - then-deteriorated - relations even more. Regarding the Hive, I'm sure that Chairman Yang will soon find out that the Corporation is no less a tough nut than the Federation and we are more than prepared to face his "military machine". We congratulate the Federation to persuading the Chairman to the advantages of peace, as well as to the recent acquisition of the Citizen Defense Force. On behalf of the Corporation SOO AndiD

	25-04-2005 12:21									#77
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I wonder how many of those they can rush...

Either way, it seems like the party will be over next turn.

	25-04-2005 16:45									#78
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I'm thinking we should offer peace on relatively equal terms. Perhaps we should demand that our installment plan for selling them ethcalc be promptly made up to date, meaning, they pay us however much they need to so that it would be as if we had never suspended the payments at all. Then we will resume the payments as usual. We should also demand a formal apology for the mind-controlling of the hunter.

	15-05-2005 02:24									#79
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How about posting this message in the Morgan embassy?

Since peace finally reigns again between the Corporation and the Federation, we were wondering whether you'd be interested in cementing our relationship by engaging in technology trades. You've got the credits. We've got the techs. What better circumstances for tech trades could there be? :^D

Concrete, we have Doctrine : Initiative, Adaptive Doctrine, Cyberethics and Intellectual Integrity for sale. Soon we should be able to add Neural Grafting and Planetary Economics to that list.

Are you interested?

	15-05-2005 02:37									#80
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Yes, dangling a big carrot in front of them while holding an even bigger stick in reserve. Perfect.

	15-05-2005 03:25									#82
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Maybe we execute a leapfrog with them - the Ascetic Virtues for them and the Cyborg Factory for us

we could then think in terms of getting to Applied Relativity and building the Supercollider at AU or FS

	15-05-2005 06:07									#83
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I went ahead and posted this in the Embassy:

quote: Posted by Googlie in the Embassy To: The Corporation From: The Federation Since peace finally reigns again between the Corporation and the Federation, we were wondering whether you'd be interested in cementing our relationship by resuming technology trades. You've got the credits. We've got the techs. What better circumstances for tech trades could there be? Specifically, we have Doctrine : Initiative, Adaptive Doctrine, Cyberethics and Intellectual Integrity for sale. Imminently we will be able to add Neural Grafting and Planetary Economics to that list. Are you interested? Colonel Googlie ......... on behalf of the Federation

	15-05-2005 22:16									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Maybe we execute a leapfrog with them - the Ascetic Virtues for them and the Cyborg Factory for us

If the Angels refuse to give us AV rights, I'd like this very much. Though if possible, due to my builder bias personally I prefer the AV over the CF. The Cyborg Factory can be more or less replaced by building Bioenhancement Centers in strategic bases. The AV can't be substituted.

	16-05-2005 05:35									#85
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Well with the Angles roadblock out of the way are we still gonna trade stuff to morgans?

	17-05-2005 02:24									#86
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At last a reply (to our ofering to intercede on their behalf with Zak and Lal)

quote: Posted by AndiD in the Embassy The Corporation is very interested in resuming trade with Brother Lal and will gladly compensate the ambassadors of the Junta for their efforts. The Corporation usually prefers performance-oriented salaries and could think of 17 ec for the preparation of a successful Truce negotiation, 17 ec for the preparation of a profitable Treaty business agreement and another 17 ec as soon as the Peacekeeper faction is willing to agree to a Pact. Social Engineering-wise the Corporation runs Democracy and the Peacekeepers run Free Market, no fire has been exchanged between us yet, so this should be perfect premises for successful negotiations as soon as the Peacekeepers' amabassadors are willing to listen thanks to the Junta's suggestions. Fees and salary details are open for further negotiation.

Hoist with our own petard, maybe??

	17-05-2005 03:03									#87
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Was Lal not saying he would not sign peace with the Corporation?
Is that why you proposed to bring the Peacekeepers down to a submissive status, Googlie? What a devilish plan.

Oh, and by all means, we should make sure the Corporation shows their appreciation of our help. They must understand we like generosity.

	17-05-2005 08:09									#88
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Most excellent googlie
I think thats 51ec in the bank right there.

	17-05-2005 09:23									#89
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A request for clarification from mead regarding our Modo Doctrine

If at 8 tiles from every Spartan base, then we extend over Morgan landmass.

Can we live with 6 tiles? here's what our western ocean would look like with a 6-tile exclusion zone: (and would let them exit their harbors without asking permission from us)

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	17-05-2005 11:30									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie A request for clarification from mead regarding our Modo Doctrine If at 8 tiles from every Spartan base, then we extend over Morgan landmass. Can we live with 6 tiles? here's what our western ocean would look like with a 6-tile exclusion zone: (and would let them exit their harbors without asking permission from us)

Not everywhere. I think we can negotiate for the specific areas they need (i.e. Morgan territory), and only for them. Other places should count as 8-tile zone. I would say we can allow them to cruise their coast, and only their coast.