02-02-2005 10:00									#31
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quote: Seriously, to some of the "religious", nothing less than an explicit message from God would satisfy them.

We live in a democratic society. The authority of parliament supercedes my personal desires, and the desires of the religious.

That being said, if the majority of Canada is uphappy with their elected officials, they do have a say at the polling booth.

quote: I think this is the type of issue that can only cost a politican votes since no matter which side you choose, the other side will probably make a point of voting against you for a long long time.

Which is why the only winner is:

Mssr Chretien.

	02-02-2005 10:02									#32
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quote: Because we also protect the rights of women, where they are usually exploited in polygamous relationships. That whole argument is bullshit.

We already have polygamy here in Canada. This will only serve to futher entrench their legitimacy. Why, if marriage is merely a contract between two people, should said contract be restricted to only two people?

	02-02-2005 11:36									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Why, if marriage is merely a contract between two people, should said contract be restricted to only two people?

This is one of the strange thing I find in regards to the debate about gay marriage, the whole slippery-slope argument. Why, if we allow gay marriage, what's next, polygamy? And the answer is an unabashed yes. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing wrong with either, supporting one and not the other seems unjustified. It would be good if people started to recognize this, and if the government did as well.

But this whole mess can easily be avoided by simply getting rid of the legal status of marriage altogether. Allow people to do whatever they want, live with whoever they want, etc. but keep the government out of it.

	02-02-2005 12:59									#34
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"Canada is a country where minorities are protected."

	02-02-2005 13:09									#35
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi "Canada is a country where minorities are protected."

Who is considered a minority there. I have worked with a few canadian nurses and all seem to have a severe distaste for native american indians

	02-02-2005 13:13									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Voltaire This is one of the strange thing I find in regards to the debate about gay marriage, the whole slippery-slope argument. Why, if we allow gay marriage, what's next, polygamy? And the answer is an unabashed yes. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing wrong with either, supporting one and not the other seems unjustified. It would be good if people started to recognize this, and if the government did as well. But this whole mess can easily be avoided by simply getting rid of the legal status of marriage altogether. Allow people to do whatever they want, live with whoever they want, etc. but keep the government out of it.

Poligamy is supported by the state through welfare.

How is gay marriage?

ACK!

	02-02-2005 13:18									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Voltaire This is one of the strange thing I find in regards to the debate about gay marriage, the whole slippery-slope argument. Why, if we allow gay marriage, what's next, polygamy? And the answer is an unabashed yes. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing wrong with either, supporting one and not the other seems unjustified. It would be good if people started to recognize this, and if the government did as well. But this whole mess can easily be avoided by simply getting rid of the legal status of marriage altogether. Allow people to do whatever they want, live with whoever they want, etc. but keep the government out of it.

I have no problem with two people of the same sex marrying. I do have a problem with the idea of polygamy due to inbreeding and the birth defects that come with that. As iahve stated before i stood up for my best friend in a holy union. I dont see what the fuss is about as far as two people that love each other be allowed to be married. Regardless of whether they are the same sex.

	02-02-2005 13:18									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Who is considered a minority there. I have worked with a few canadian nurses and all seem to have a severe distaste for native american indians

Don't question them! They're better than us.

	02-02-2005 14:00									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Odin I head on MPR last night that Catholic priests are telling their congegations to oppose this, time for you canucks to take the RCC's tax-exempt status away (you guys have that, I am assuming)...

Why?

quote: Originally posted by Pekka There will be hard opposion. We will see. I predict, it will get leveled. Sorry Asher.

I fear you may be correct. At the very least, this will not be a cakewalk. Some traditional areas of Liberal support may bolt to the Tories over it. There is nothing that interests a Liberal like power.

	02-02-2005 14:04									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Voltaire This is one of the strange thing I find in regards to the debate about gay marriage, the whole slippery-slope argument. Why, if we allow gay marriage, what's next, polygamy? And the answer is an unabashed yes. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing wrong with either, supporting one and not the other seems unjustified. It would be good if people started to recognize this, and if the government did as well. But this whole mess can easily be avoided by simply getting rid of the legal status of marriage altogether. Allow people to do whatever they want, live with whoever they want, etc. but keep the government out of it.

Maybe you can explain that there is no harm to the girls that are married off at 15 and 16 to lechers in closed communities where the nubiles are raised for the explicit purpose.

Do you have a clue about the shoes other people walk in, or does it have to be represented in a computer game before you can visualise it?

	02-02-2005 14:07									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Who is considered a minority there. I have worked with a few canadian nurses and all seem to have a severe distaste for native american indians

Perhaps there's a reason those crackers moved to the US?

	02-02-2005 14:13									#42
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quote: But this whole mess can easily be avoided by simply getting rid of the legal status of marriage altogether. Allow people to do whatever they want, live with whoever they want, etc. but keep the government out of it.

You will probably get your wish, the way things are going right now.

quote: Why, if we allow gay marriage, what's next, polygamy? And the answer is an unabashed yes.

Thank you. So the slippery slope argument is very valid, despite Asher's protestations to the contrary.

	02-02-2005 14:13									#43
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let the gays marry - I don't have to believe it

	02-02-2005 14:15									#44
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quote: I dont see what the fuss is about as far as two people that love each other be allowed to be married.

Just because I love someone doesn't mean I should marry them. Marriage is much more than just love, and while love is a big part, that's not all there is to it.

	02-02-2005 14:16									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi We already have polygamy here in Canada. This will only serve to futher entrench their legitimacy. Why, if marriage is merely a contract between two people, should said contract be restricted to only two people?

Funny, the only Member of Parliament saying that Polygamy should be legal is CONSERVATIVE MP Jim Abbot.

quote: MP defends polygamy OTTAWA -- Cranbrook Conservative MP Jim Abbott, whose riding includes the controversial commune of Bountiful, says the polygamists there have a democratic right to practise plural marriage.

The link is here, but the article is subscriber only.

	02-02-2005 14:17									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Thank you. So the slippery slope argument is very valid, despite Asher's protestations to the contrary.

Not really, Ben. Your going to have to find two women of education and means to press a case to the SCoC that they should be allowed to share the same man.

Yes, Polygamy is an issue, but I think it is more a boogeyman in this debate.

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quote: Who is considered a minority there. I have worked with a few canadian nurses and all seem to have a severe distaste for native american indians

Yes, but that's because that's because our fabled Canadian tolerance is a thin verneer that vanishes when assimilated into America.

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quote: Originally posted by joncha Funny, the only Member of Parliament saying that Polygamy should be legal is CONSERVATIVE MP Jim Abbot. The link is here, but the article is subscriber only.

And you have no knowledge of what parody is, do you?

	02-02-2005 14:20									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Yes, but that's because that's because our fabled Canadian tolerance is a thin verneer that vanishes when assimilated into America.

F@!k you!

	02-02-2005 14:20									#50
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither And you have no knowledge of what parody is, do you?

It was in the paper today as a serious story. I have yet to see a retraction.

	02-02-2005 14:21									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Just because I love someone doesn't mean I should marry them. Marriage is much more than just love, and while love is a big part, that's not all there is to it.

Should I run out and get a divorce, then?

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In the paper as a serious storey? About a Conservative? I doubt they'd recognise the comedy if Graham Chapman slapped them in the face with a trout.

Here's a hint. Think about the timing.

	02-02-2005 14:28									#53
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who cares what Canadians do anyway?

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Right! Who cares what Canadians do anyways?!


Wait a minute...

	02-02-2005 14:36									#55
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I find it funny BK still persistently tries to find a connection between polygamy and gay marriage. None exists, but it is so sad to see him go down that road of shame.

	02-02-2005 14:49									#56
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quote: Should I run out and get a divorce, then?

I don't know. You planning on kids?

	02-02-2005 14:50									#57
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quote: I find it funny BK still persistently tries to find a connection between polygamy and gay marriage. None exists, but it is so sad to see him go down that road of shame.

Yes, that's just what I was looking to dissuade my concerns of the continued disintegration of marriage. Denial isn't pretty Fez.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I don't know. You planning on kids?

Would it make a difference?

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Yes, that's just what I was looking to dissuade my concerns of the continued disintegration of marriage. Denial isn't pretty Fez.

Oh give me a break... so gay people are somehow responsible for the continued disintegration of marriage? You are acting so ridiculous. If anything allowing gay couples to get married would help marriage. You are the one suffering from severe denial.

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quote: Not really, Ben. Your going to have to find two women of education and means to press a case to the SCoC that they should be allowed to share the same man. Yes, Polygamy is an issue, but I think it is more a boogeyman in this debate.

It's a valid concern for two reasons.

First is the impending recognition in Europe of the polygamy rights for Muslims, and the subsequent demand from Muslims here for similar recognition.

They have a pretty good argument from the Charter, with respect to their section 2 rights, to freedom to practice their religion.

Of course, they could counter your argument by saying that so long as the women freely choose to enter their religion, and to marry them, that this will prevent the concerns over the equality of women.

The second is what I was referring to, the folks out in Bountiful, BC. They openly engage in polygamy, and have yet to face any consequences from the provincial government.