04-02-2005 19:31									#31
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Lots of panties got twisted up by this I see.

	04-02-2005 19:35									#32
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

Defending women!

	04-02-2005 19:35									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie That's the reason I'm protesting. Any "white man" is at risk because some bully countries have upset a lot of A-rabs.

Most arabs dont support AQ/Taliban.

	04-02-2005 20:31									#34
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Most arabs dont support AQ/Taliban.

That's the reason it's unwise to go after them because of what AQ/Talibans did.

The obvious conclusion after 9/11 was that "some Arabs are pissed off". The solution to the problem is not to piss off more Arabs.

	04-02-2005 20:50									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie That's the reason it's unwise to go after them because of what AQ/Talibans did.

we were discussing an American Marine general. He didnt go after Arabs in general. The ones he expressed joy at going after, the ones who want to kill me and you, are the ones from AQ/Taliban.

	04-02-2005 20:56									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie That's the reason it's unwise to go after them because of what AQ/Talibans did. The obvious conclusion after 9/11 was that "some Arabs are pissed off". The solution to the problem is not to piss off more Arabs.

It's become apparent that many Arabs enjoy being pissed off over one thing or another. Except at their own goverments.

	04-02-2005 20:59									#37
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quote: And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

	04-02-2005 21:22									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber It's become apparent that many Arabs enjoy being pissed off over one thing or another. Except at their own goverments.

They would make model americans.

	04-02-2005 21:39									#39
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark we were discussing an American Marine general. He didnt go after Arabs in general. The ones he expressed joy at going after, the ones who want to kill me and you, are the ones from AQ/Taliban.

But he ENJOYED killing other people. Who cares who they were affiliated with. Enjoyment at killing others isn't what most psychiatrists would consider normal mental health.

	04-02-2005 21:43									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But he ENJOYED killing other people. Who cares who they were affiliated with. Enjoyment at killing others isn't what most psychiatrists would consider normal mental health.

er, you might want to go reread the exchange between me and ollie to see how it was appropriate in context. I was NOT responding to your statement re mental health, an area Im not informed enough to comment on.

	04-02-2005 21:43									#41
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A Marine said something politicaly insensetive. Horrors!

	04-02-2005 21:44									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But he ENJOYED killing other people. Who cares who they were affiliated with. Enjoyment at killing others isn't what most psychiatrists would consider normal mental health.

That's why they're in the Marines and not in normal society. Honestly, our jails and mental facilities are overflowing as it is. We might as well get some work out of these people for doing what they enjoy doing.

	04-02-2005 21:56									#43
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To be clear, he said it was fun to shoot people, not to kill people.

	04-02-2005 22:10									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Isn't enjoyment of actual killing a sign of serious mental illness?

Yes, taking enjoyment from the death of other humans is a sign of serious imbalances in one's world perspective.

What we have here (on poly and the Marines) are clearly people who have thoroughly dehumanized the people they're fighting against. And thats sad, no wonder the war has been going so poorly What separates a Marine who likes to kill from a terrorist?

	04-02-2005 22:14									#45
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn What separates a Marine who likes to kill from a terrorist?

The fact the Marine follows the rules of war. Toss me another softball question.

	04-02-2005 22:17									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Thucydides That's why they're in the Marines and not in normal society. Honestly, our jails and mental facilities are overflowing as it is. We might as well get some work out of these people for doing what they enjoy doing.

Hello, Tommy Atkins.

	04-02-2005 22:17									#47
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The fact the Marine follows the rules of war. Toss me another softball question.

"rules of war" - That's a good one!

	04-02-2005 22:24									#48
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The fact the Marine follows the rules of war. Toss me another softball question.

Thats irrelevent. Both like killing.

Whats the difference?

(And I'm not saying all Marines like to kill...only the sick ones)

	04-02-2005 22:27									#49
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Defending women!

I know, its scary people think thats what they're doing...

People need to remember that its not only terrorists "slapping up their women", its pretty much every Arab male. Wearing the veil is a cultural sensibility in much of the Arab world. If you like killing people who feel this way, you've just declared war not on the terrorists, but the whole of Arab culture.

	04-02-2005 22:28									#50
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quote: Originally posted by DanS To be clear, he said it was fun to shoot people, not to kill people.

Something tells me you're a lawyer

	04-02-2005 22:30									#51
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Nope. Anyway, it's a very important distinction. As AH says, he relishes the fight, not necessarily the killing.

	04-02-2005 22:32									#52
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Nope. Anyway, it's a very important distinction. As AH says, he relishes the fight, not necessarily the killing.

No it isn't. What would be the purpose of shooting someone other than to kill or severely wound them? Its either murder or torture.

Edit: You edited your damn post with a clarification. Bastard

	04-02-2005 22:34									#53
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quote: As AH says, he relishes the fight, not necessarily the killing.

So go play a video game. Warfare is a professional job, not a ****ing jack off session.

	04-02-2005 22:34									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie Something tells me you're a lawyer

Close. He's an economist or something.

	04-02-2005 22:36									#55
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat No, I don't support anyone killing for fun. But let's remember that who we are fighting. We are killing terrorists who murder, rape and abuse women and children. These terrorists are barbarians. We should not "enjoy" killing them, but let's not get too politically correct either. We are talking about monsters that need to be killed.

lets start in our own backyard. lets kill child molesters, abusers, rapists, and murders, right here, on the spot.

	04-02-2005 22:37									#56
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So, if it's OK to shoot people who slap women because they don't wear a veil...

... is it OK to shoot people who slap women because they DO wear a veil?

	04-02-2005 22:40									#57
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quote: What would be the purpose of shooting someone other than to kill or severely wound them?

Going by what the marine said, he likes to brawl -- i.e., he likes the violent competition. In our times, this means shooting people. In past times, it might have meant face-to-face sword combat.

	04-02-2005 22:43									#58
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violent competition? then why dosent he duel them or go rambo on them? there is no competition for the taliban, other than carbombs and "tewwowizm"

	04-02-2005 22:57									#59
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Going by what the marine said, he likes to brawl -- i.e., he likes the violent competition. In our times, this means shooting people. In past times, it might have meant face-to-face sword combat.

I understand that. But my question is - do we want people who get a rise out of inflicting misery (the aim of a brawl) on others in the Marine Corps, supposedly standing up for "American Values" abroad?

Wasn't it these sort of demented individuals who got the US into trouble at Abu G.?

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MRT: You're making this entirely too complicated. The man likes his job. His job is to take part in violent competition on the orders of the president. The president isn't ordering him to duel the Taliban or to go rambo on them, even assuming that the Taliban would oblige him if he wanted to do that.