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Durango - Two teenage girls decided one summer's evening to skip a dance where there might be cursing and drinking to stay home and bake cookies for their neighbors.

Big mistake.

They were sued, successfully, for an unauthorized cookie drop on one porch.

The July 31 deliveries consisted of half a dozen chocolate-chip and sugar cookies accompanied by big hearts cut out of red or pink construction paper with the message: "Have a great night."

The notes were signed, "Love, The T and L Club," code for Taylor Ostergaard, then 17, and Lindsey Jo Zellitti, 18.

Inside one of the nine scattered rural homes south of Durango that got cookies that night, a 49-year-old woman became so terrified by the knocks on her door around 10:30 p.m. that she called the sheriff's department. Deputies determined that no crime had been committed.

But Wanita Renea Young ended up in the hospital emergency room the next day after suffering a severe anxiety attack she thought might be a heart attack.

A Durango judge Thursday awarded Young almost $900 to recoup her medical bills. She received nothing for pain and suffering.

"The victory wasn't sweet," Young said Thursday afternoon. "I'm not gloating about it. I just hope the girls learned a lesson."

Taylor's mother, Jill Ostergaard, said her daughter "cried and cried" after Judge Doug Walker handed down his decision in La Plata County Small Claims Court.

"She felt she was being punished for doing something nice," Jill Ostergaard said.

The judge said that he didn't think the girls acted maliciously but that it was pretty late at night for them to be out. He didn't award any punitive damages.

Taylor and Lindsey declined to comment Thursday, saying only that they didn't want to say anything hurtful.

Young said the girls showed "very poor judgment."

But Taylor had asked her father's permission to bake cookies for the neighbors after livestock-tending chores were done.

"I said, 'Go ahead, as long as I get some cookies,"' Richard Ostergaard said Thursday.

Just as dusk arrived a little after 9 p.m., Taylor and Lindsey began their mad spree. They didn't stop at houses that were dark. But where lights shone, the girls figured people were awake and in need of cookies. A kitchen light was on at Young's home.

Court records contain half a dozen letters from neighbors who said that they enjoyed the unexpected treats.

The cookies were good. It was a nice surprise. They weren't scared.

But Young, home with her own 18-year-old daughter and her elderly mother, said she saw shadowy figures who banged and banged at her door. When she called out, "Who's there?" no one answered. The figures ran off.

She thought perhaps they were burglars or some neighbors she had tangled with in the past, she said.

"We just wanted to surprise them," Taylor said.

Young left her home that night to stay at her sister's, but her symptoms, including shaking and an upset stomach, wouldn't subside. The next morning she went to Mercy Medical Center.

"We feel that knocking on a door and leaving cookies is a gesture of kindness and would not create an anxiety attack in the general public," Taylor's parents wrote to the court.

The girls wrote letters of apology to Young. Taylor's letter, written a few days after the episode, said in part: "I didn't realize this would cause trouble for you. ... I just wanted you to know that someone cared about you and your family."

The families had offered to pay Young's medical bills if she would agree to indemnify the families against future claims.

Young wouldn't sign the agreement. She said the families' apologies rang false and weren't delivered in person.
The matter went to court.

Young said she believes that the girls should not have been running from door to door late at night.

"Something bad could have happened to them," she said.


Wow, what an ungrateful *****.

If I were in that town I think I'd organize a campaign of knocking on that woman's door every 15 minutes and giving her cookies in the hope of giving her a real heart attack.

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Oh give me a break. If there's a case that deserves capital punishment, Young would qualify!

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I wouldn't eat cookies that someone left outside my door like that.

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That another thing though, it's still a nice gesture.

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I'm glad that taught the girls a valuable lesson.

Don't be nice to people, it only gets you in trouble.

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Yet another nail in the coffin of private charity.

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I'm sure the girls saw that coming ...

I've got no sympathy for people who'd stalk the neighbourhood to distribute cookies, but there's no way in hell the girls should have been expected to realize that their behaviour might give someone an anxiety attack. The real culprit is the Young woman's overly excitable nerves, which aren't the girls problem.

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Yet another nail in the coffin of private charity.


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now if they were 'SPECIAL' cookies.

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This story is just surreal, especially these parts (considering the girls age):

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The judge said that he didn't think the girls acted maliciously but that it was pretty late at night for them to be out.

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But Taylor had asked her father's permission to bake cookies for the neighbors after livestock-tending chores were done.


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whoops, I was going to make a thread about this, but forgot. There's always someone here at Poly to post the stupid news.

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The english language doesn't contain words suitable to describe the absurdity of this situation.

Also, what kind of a hillbilly considers it a problem for two people ages 17 and 18 to be out at 10:30 pm. This is just surreal.

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I think this is a beauty :

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She thought perhaps they were burglars or some neighbors she had tangled with in the past, she said.


She is aparently busy messing up other peoples lives, and when a couple of girls does something nice, she panics in fear of what she has done to others.

Besides, how come she didn't just shoot the girls ? They were certainly trespassing.

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The english language doesn't contain words suitable to describe the absurdity of this situation.

Also, what kind of a hillbilly considers it a problem for two people ages 17 and 18 to be out at 10:30 pm. This is just surreal.


American judges apparently. I guess it's part of this "sex-abstinence" program that is so modern.

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doesn't this make you want to burn down some courthouses? or is it just me?

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I think this won because of the woman's hospitalization and the fact the girls were technically tresspassing.

If this were Texas thought, as we all know from DF, the nut could have shot the girls and been in accordance to the law.

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What a hag! But the system that actually accepted this as a case is the worse offender here.

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What a hag! But the system that actually accepted this as a case is the worse offender here.
That's not even the worse case you could find to point to the idiocy of the American tort system.

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SEE, WE MUST CAP MEDICAL LIABILITY CLAIMS NOW!!!!

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What the hell are you talking about?

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Well, even with permission, the 17-year old was probably out past curfew. Regardless of the motives and the nice gesture, they did cause someone to have medical problems, and so were responsible. Sux tho. I think the judge should have made the woman pay all the court fees, since she refused to settle, and wasted the sourt's time.

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DD: I was just giving a President Bush response to this incident.

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Well, even with permission, the 17-year old was probably out past curfew. Regardless of the motives and the nice gesture, they did cause someone to have medical problems, and so were responsible. Sux tho. I think the judge should have made the woman pay all the court fees, since she refused to settle, and wasted the sourt's time.


I'm both confused and worried. What is this curfew you are talking about ? Are yon really trying to say that 17-18 year oldgirls aren't allowed to walk freely or are you just joking ? I certainly hope the last.

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I'm curious why they didn't Rule 11 the woman for wasting the Court's time and resources.

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I think Che is trolling.

" the 17-year old was probably out past curfew."

Huh? Since when did Colorado have legally enforced curfew for 10:30 PM?

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Well, even with permission, the 17-year old was probably out past curfew.

There's a law saying how late 17-year-old women are allowed to be out?

I'm feeling a comment about the United States of Talibanistan coming ...
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Regardless of the motives and the nice gesture, they did cause someone to have medical problems, and so were responsible.

Responsible as in legally responsible? In the civilized world, they could only be held responsible if the court deemed they should have realized their actions were likely cause said medical problems.

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I canīt believe it!

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Kids these days.

****ing punks.

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WTF are you on about?

Curfew? Are you seriously claiming that there are a significant number of jurisdictions in the US with a legally imposed curfew on minors (also note that one was of legal age)...

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All I know is that when I was 16 I was known to wander the streets of Montreal drunk at 3:30 in the morning and it certainly never crossed my mind that I'd be arrested...

 
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