05-02-2005 13:26									#61
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Drop a nuke on USA to stop this insanitys!!!!!! Talk about a country built upon fear!! ...

Sorry, it's still quarter past nine here in Sweden. I'm still in my morning temper mood.

	05-02-2005 13:53									#62
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This makes me think of this other thread: Kill people for fun!

	05-02-2005 17:47									#63
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quote: Originally posted by optimus2861 By knocking on the door. By ****ing knocking on the ****ing door. That'll teach those girls a lesson -- next time, just knock the door down, steal what you want and be on your way. At least then they've got to get you "beyond a reasonable doubt" instead of whatever cockamamie threshold of evidence led to this miscarriage of justice

More than likely, this was a small claims case. Which does not require "beyond a reasonable doubt". It require simply that the actions more likely than not caused this woman to have an anxiety attack.

People's Court rules!

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	05-02-2005 18:49									#64
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara To wit, minors aren't allowed outside after 10PM except when accompanied by a guardian or on their way home.

GOOD LORD!!!!! someone please ensure me this is a joke

	05-02-2005 18:54									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident in Las Vegas there is a curfew of 12:00 AM in minors. and they aren't allowed to drive down the Las Vegas strip.

the more i learn about US laws, the more i'm happy to live in greece, where parenting is done by, well, parents (what an odd idea!)

	05-02-2005 19:51									#66
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG well, parents (what an odd idea!)

*cough*Greek govt bans all computer games*cough*

	05-02-2005 20:04									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski More than likely, this was a small claims case. Which does not require "beyond a reasonable doubt". It require simply that the actions more likely than not caused this woman to have an anxiety attack.

I know; that's why I said that next time they should just commit break & enter and theft. Then it moves into the realm of criminal law and the higher standard of proof applies. If you're going to get dragged to court over a bullshit case like this, may as well make it worth your while

	05-02-2005 21:13									#68
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but you see that's why most people around think americans are completely ****ed up

	05-02-2005 21:25									#69
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc *cough*Greek govt bans all computer games*cough*

yeah we have our share of idiocies
STILL
that law literrally lasted only a couple of months as it was taken down in courts facing the strong opposition of the internet cafes union(which didnt exist prior to the law )

meanwhile, it seems that US idiotic laws "keep on walking"

	05-02-2005 21:30									#70
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG yeah we have our share of idiocies

The very fact that such laws can exist shows that you are either ignorant of the powers your government has to parent children instead of the parents or are a bald faced liar.

	05-02-2005 21:31									#71
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Actually, I kind of like that curfew concept. If implemented here, 80-90 % of those young bastards between 13 and 18 would be criminalized.

At the same time they should do something to that stupid rule that allows children at the age of 18 to buy alcohol. Just because they are allowed to vote and descide the future of the contry or become a soldier and learn to kill, should that really make them able to drink a beer ? NO - raise that limit

	05-02-2005 21:31									#72
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crazyness!!! everything in this story is crazy.

I wonder how I can get neighbour girls 17 and 18 who make me cookies for no reason at all. I wouldn't sue them. I'd bang them. Sober.

	05-02-2005 21:39									#73
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The real damning part here is the fact the woman refused to settle, which was an obvious gambit to get more money. What a rotten person.

	05-02-2005 22:36									#74
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The very fact that such laws can exist shows that you are either ignorant of the powers your government has to parent children instead of the parents or are a bald faced liar.

i kind of missed you here. with the exception on loosely-practiced bans on how old you have to be to access cinemas playing porn and bars serving alcohol, my goverment does do any parenting of children

and the computer games law had NOTHING to do with children. it was an attempt to control gambling....

	05-02-2005 22:44									#75
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http://www.courts.state.co.us/exec/....htm#curfewlaws
Curfew Laws
Curfews are established to help deter crime and keep youth from getting into unnecessary trouble. Although there are no specific state statutes, many local governments have established curfews. These laws pertains to minors under 18 years of age who are in a public place past a certain time. Exceptions to this law are instances where minors are returning home from employment (they need to obtain a note from their employer), and youth returning home from an event such as a concert, organized meeting, or any other appropriate activity that has continued past the curfew. To see if there is a curfew set in your area, contact your local sheriff's office.



http://www.springsgov.com/Page.asp?NavID=4130

It is unlawful for any person under the age of eighteen (18) years to loiter or to aimlessly drive or ride about, on or about any street, avenue, highway, road, sidewalk, curb, gutter, parking lot, alley, vacant lot, park, playground, yard, building, place of amusement, or eating place, whether public or private, without the consent or permission of the owner or occupant thereof, during the hours ending at six o'clock (6:00) A.M. and beginning at twelve o'clock (12:00) midnight on Saturday and Sunday mornings, and beginning at ten o'clock (10:00) P.M. on Sunday night through Thursday night. No violation of this subsection will have occurred if the person under the age of eighteen (18) years is accompanied by a parent, guardian or other adult person over the age of twenty one (21) years who is authorized by a parent or guardian of the juvenile to take the parent's place in accompanying the juvenile for a designated period of time and purpose within a specified area.


It is unlawful for the parent, guardian, or other adult person having the care and custody of a juvenile under the age of eighteen (18) years to knowingly permit or allow the juvenile to loiter or to aimlessly drive or ride about at the places and within the time prohibited by subsection C2 of this section. The term "knowingly" includes knowledge which a parent should be reasonably expected to have concerning the whereabouts of a juvenile in that parent or guardian's custody. It shall be no defense that a parent, guardian, or other person having the care and custody of the juvenile was indifferent to the activities, conduct or whereabouts of the juvenile.

	05-02-2005 22:50									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The real damning part here is the fact the woman refused to settle, which was an obvious gambit to get more money. What a rotten person.

i agree with you ...
what a terrible woman.. even after finding out
everyone else in the neighborhood received the same.
and even getting written appologies from the girls..
amazing how stupid people can be when they are
afraid.... she needs some serious therapy.

	05-02-2005 22:51									#77
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quote: unnecessary trouble

there is no such thing. mistakes exist in order for us to learn and evolve

quote: aimlessly drive or ride about

1) how do you prove the aimlessness of a drive?
2) "ride" as in horses?

	05-02-2005 22:55									#78
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mostly the laws were created to control gang activity.

	05-02-2005 23:00									#79
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quote: Originally posted by boann mostly the laws were created to control gang activity.

And how effective has it been in Colorado ? Somehow I don't connect Colorado and serious gang problems.

	05-02-2005 23:23									#80
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat And how effective has it been in Colorado ? Somehow I don't connect Colorado and serious gang problems.

Then, logically, the curfew works.......



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	05-02-2005 23:28									#81
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i think its done a good job in some ways controling things... gives cops reasons to detain and ask questions about activities .. though i think some cops use it to harrass .. but overall there has been a decline in that sort of activity... has not stopped it ..

gangs are everywhere... even in colorado...


we used to have long lines of cars downtown
friday and saturday nights.. kids honking and
sitting on cars... waving at each other drive by.
cruisin nevada ave... was a big passtime.
then came the night some young people were
shot ... just driving down the street ..
both killed... in a drive by shooting..

and another night one young man beat to death
laying in the street downtown...

couple those with other crimes and deaths...
drugs being sold out of cars and the downtown streets
and parks being a place where everyone was afraid to
go even in the early evenings.

downtown is quiet now...

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quote: Originally posted by boann i agree with you ... what a terrible woman.. even after finding out everyone else in the neighborhood received the same. and even getting written appologies from the girls.. amazing how stupid people can be when they are afraid.... she needs some serious therapy.

More like she needs to be institutionalized, as living in the normal world is to dangerous to her mental condition.

	05-02-2005 23:47									#83
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Ixnay gets a cookie for posting this absurd news

	05-02-2005 23:49									#84
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actually this doesn't bother me too much. I read on CNN the judge only ordered the defendant to pay the hospital costs. There was no other penalty imposed for emotional distress etc. That seems fair. It was only $900. It wasn't like they got sued for millions.

Because you have to admit, the teens behaviour is suspicious. It almost sounded like the teens were planning on playing a practical joke on the person.

I would get suspicious if people were knocking on my door at 10:30 PM. Even in my city that is late.

The entire time I have been living here, the only person to knock on my door that late is the police when the house accross from me got robbed.

	05-02-2005 23:53									#85
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boann : I think that you have cured the symptoms instead of the disease and in the process amputated peoples freedom.

If there are shootings, remove the guns instead of people. If there are drugs, go for the dealers.

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...and in this case, ban cookies

	06-02-2005 00:04									#87
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat boann : I think that you have cured the symptoms instead of the disease and in the process amputated peoples freedom. If there are shootings, remove the guns instead of people. If there are drugs, go for the dealers.

i am in favor of some restrictions

there are good exceptions to the law.. and they
allow for those..

no, i don't think teens should have total freedom
to go and come and do what ever they want to do.
if their parents were being parents then the law
would not need to be there.. but there are some
who just don't give a crap about where or what
their kids are doing.

	06-02-2005 00:07									#88
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I agree, but why punish those 99,9 % of parents and teens that acts sensibly ?

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well the law doesn't effect them really.
those teens can come and go with parent
or with work note or just coming and going
from concerts and activities..
the law is for those who are looking for trouble.

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quote: Originally posted by boann i am in favor of some restrictions there are good exceptions to the law.. and they allow for those.. no, i don't think teens should have total freedom to go and come and do what ever they want to do. if their parents were being parents then the law would not need to be there.. but there are some who just don't give a crap about where or what their kids are doing.

There are aslo some parents that cant be home to supervise their kids cause they have to work at night. The curfews in san antonio dont allow kids up to the age of 18 out after 10;00 pm but mostly that is down town only. I guess any other part of the city i fair game.

I wonder if this real stable mental case of a woman would have done the same thing if the girls were girlscouts selling cookies at 700 am burglries and crimes can happen in the daytime too.