07-02-2005 00:05									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Jaakko Some Reagan administration official made this exact case for why there is no need to protect the environment. God'll fix it!

James Watt, Secretary of the Interior!!! told Congress that when the last tree is felled, Christ will return to the world.

	07-02-2005 00:05									#32
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It doesn't really follow that if you beleive Jesus will return within 50 years that you don't believe in long term planning unless you are absolutely certain that he will return in that time frame. While some Christians may believe that I don't that that's the way they worded the question when they did the study.

	07-02-2005 00:09									#33
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara James Watt, Secretary of the Interior!!! told Congress that when the last tree is felled, Christ will return to the world.

If Bush hears about that, Finland is doomed.

	07-02-2005 00:09									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Ming If I lived in the city proper still... your point is well taken. But I live out in rich surburbia... and the county went strong for Bush.

Try living in the Bible Belt . Rich surburbia is educated at least.

	07-02-2005 00:15									#35
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Voting Bush doesn't automatically make you an iggerant jerk.

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quote: Originally posted by Ming If I lived in the city proper still... your point is well taken.

Not necessarily. Despite their tendency to vote Democratic, Blacks tend to be very conservative on many matters of faith. I'm sure a disproprtionate number of fundimentalists are Black.

quote: But I live out in rich surburbia... and the county went strong for Bush.

I imagine that has more to do with Mammon than Christ.

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quote: I have a hard team believing the research... not a single person I know believes that crap. And I know a bunch of conservatives, and supposedly religious folks...

Believe it.

I had a hard time believing that most people do not have books in their houses until I started working for a furniture company.

We tend to move in circles of people like us. Out there, there are hordes of people who might as well be space aliens to us.

	07-02-2005 00:18									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Try living in the Bible Belt .

It is amazing what a difference a few hundred miles makes.

	07-02-2005 00:32									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: I have a hard team believing the research... not a single person I know believes that crap. And I know a bunch of conservatives, and supposedly religious folks... Believe it. I had a hard time believing that most people do not have books in their houses until I started working for a furniture company. We tend to move in circles of people like us. Out there, there are hordes of people who might as well be space aliens to us.

not surprising about books. Most people do not read. Even I don't read anymore. The books I have are when I used to read. And they are all paperback, I'm not going to pay extra for hardcover.

	07-02-2005 00:32									#40
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"Harris seems to find 'moral relativism' as great a sin as religious moderation."

-The New York Times Book Review

This might be worth a read.

	07-02-2005 00:59									#41
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara 44% of USians think Christ Will Be Back in 50 years

I keep telling you Americans are morons, but no one ever believes me - or maybe it's just those same 44%...

	07-02-2005 01:01									#42
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there's nothing wrong in expecting Christ to return soon.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I had a hard time believing that most people do not have books in their houses until I started working for a furniture company. We tend to move in circles of people like us. Out there, there are hordes of people who might as well be space aliens to us.

Aint it the truth.

It's time to kill off the weirdzos!

	07-02-2005 01:13									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson there's nothing wrong in expecting Christ to return soon.

That's brave of you to say, but do you believe like they do - that we whould worry about our problems, because God will take care of them, or that Jesus will return anyday now?

	07-02-2005 01:23									#45
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I don't think they think we shouldn't take care of our problems.

And... I don't know. I even don't know if I believe in God or not. I do pray, but we simply don't know when Christ will return. Yup, He can return anyday now, and in fact Christians should live as if He was to return soon.

	07-02-2005 01:24									#46
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I think satan would be a cooler guy to hang around than Jesus Christ. Does this make me a bad person?

	07-02-2005 01:24									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson I don't think they think we shouldn't take care of our problems.

Well they sure act like that's what they think.

	07-02-2005 01:25									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I think satan would be a cooler guy to hang around than Jesus Christ. Does this make me a bad person?

No, the fact that you're a bad person makes you think that.

	07-02-2005 01:26									#49
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara According to author Sam Harris, whom I just saw speak on C-SPAN2, 22% of Americans believe that Christ will definately be back within 50 years, and another 22% believe he will probably be back in the next fifty years. Do you realize the policy implications of this? There's no reason to plan for the future, cuz there isn't going to be one. We don't need social security because God will provide in the new millenium. We don't need to protect the environment, because God will provide. We don't need to worry about racking up an unpayable debt, cuz it won't need to be repaid! Christians are destroying America! edit: spelling fixes

So are you ready to radically clamp down on non-discretionary spending you godless communist you?

quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist The heavenly forces better have good protection against nuclear weapons.

A spiritual being isn't going to be too worried about gamma particles. I was annoying some people with the mathematics about what the temperature in heaven is and they brought that up so I assume there you go.

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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS I keep telling you Americans are morons, but no one ever believes me - or maybe it's just those same 44%...

probably most of them are on average smarter than you... so what does that make you

	07-02-2005 01:31									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha So are you ready to radically clamp down on non-discretionary spending you godless communist you?

I can't even do it in my own life.

	07-02-2005 01:33									#52
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No, the fact that you're a bad person makes you think that.

	07-02-2005 01:33									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Ming probably most of them are on average smarter than you... so what does that make you

Really, really stupid?

	07-02-2005 01:44									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ming probably most of them are on average smarter than you... so what does that make you

Curiously that makes me smarter than you, because I know that 44% of the US population doesn't have an I.Q. greater than <1% of itself, as that would be what they'd have to have to be smarter than me - or at least last time I checked.

Though the clincher would have to be that they believe in God and the fact they probably also voted for Bush - like you...

	07-02-2005 01:45									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Ming probably most of them are on average smarter than you... so what does that make you

Attack the ideas, not the posters. What, hey, unhand me!

	07-02-2005 01:46									#56
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Attack the ideas, not the posters.

hahaha

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Ming never was one to adhere to the rules he forces on others...

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In Mings defense, Alabama has a higher gdp then sweden with only half as many people. They can't be that dumb.

	07-02-2005 01:52									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha A spiritual being isn't going to be too worried about gamma particles. I was annoying some people with the mathematics about what the temperature in heaven is and they brought that up so I assume there you go.

I wouldn't know about that. Revelation describes the heavenly hosts and their fight with the forces of the Beast in decidedly material terms.

(It's not like gamma rays is the chief danger of nuclear weapons, BTW.)

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quote: Originally posted by Whoha In Mings defense, Alabama has a higher gdp then sweden with only half as many people. They can't be that dumb.

But with a significantly lower quality of life.