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Asher is offline Asher
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Carly Fiorina kicked out of HP Increase Your PM Length

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Fiorina forced out at HP
One of most powerful women in corporate America leaving computer maker after fight with the board.
February 9, 2005: 9:49 AM EST

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Hewlett-Packard Co. Chairman and CEO Carly Fiorina, one of the most powerful women in corporate America, is leaving the troubled computer maker after being forced out by its board.

Shares of HP (Research) rose about 9 percent in heavy trading on the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday morning on the news.

Fiorina, the only female CEO at a company in the Dow Jones industrial average, had been with the HP since 1999. But the company's controversial deal to buy Compaq in the spring of 2002 -- after a bruising proxy fight led by one of the Hewlett family heirs -- has not produced the shareholder returns or profits she had promised.

"While I regret the board and I have differences about how to execute HP's strategy, I respect their decision," Fiorina said in a statement released by the company.

Fiorina told analysts in December that Hewlett Packard (Research) had seriously considered breaking up the company on three separate occasions but each time decided against it.

Some industry analysts had argued HP should either split off its lucrative printer and imaging business, or break HP into separate firms, with one focusing on consumers and the other on corporations.

But during a conference call Wednesday morning, HP CFO Robert Wayman, who was named interim CEO, suggested that no major changes in strategy would take place following Fiorina's departure.

"We continue to believe we have the right ingredients for success in the marketplace," Wayman said during the call.

HP stock has been a laggard compared to the shares of rivals such as Dell (Research) and IBM (Research). It was trading at only about 13 times 2005 earnings estimates before the announcement, while shares of IBM and Dell traded at 17 times and 26 times forecasts for the current year.

The legendary Palo Alto, Calif.-based company has struggled to generate profits in the cutthroat hardware business, particularly in personal computers. In fact, slowing sales and stiff competition in the PC business led IBM to announce last year that it would sell its PC unit to China's Lenovo Group -- a deal that some lawmakers are eyeing for what they call national security concerns.

PCs aren't the only trouble spot for HP. In the market for servers -- the computers used to build corporate networks -- analysts say HP has been squeezed by IBM on the high end and Dell on the low end.

The troubles at HP were among the factors that prompted Fortune to demote Fiorina to No. 2 on its list of most powerful women in business, behind eBay CEO Meg Whitman. Fiorina had been No 1 since the list was created in 1998.

Fortune also has a cover story in the current issue entitled, "Why Carly's big bet is failing" with the tag line: "Buying Compaq hasn't paid off for HP's investors. And there's no easy way out."

In its statement, the board said it will start hunting for a new CEO immediately, and that Wayman will remain as CFO. Patricia Dunn, an HP director since 1998, was named non-executive chairman.

During the conference call, Dunn said no other executives changes were planned. She added that the recent round of negative press had no impact on the board's decision to

HP also said it will report results as scheduled after the market close on Feb. 16.

It said it expects results to be in line with the consensus of analyst expectations, after excluding special items. Analysts expect HP to report a profit of 37 cents a share on that basis, up 5 percent from a year ago, on sales of $20.9 billion, up 7 percent.

But Dell, by way of comparison, is expected to report an 18 percent increase in sales and 25 percent jump in profits when it reports its fiscal fourth-quarter results after the closing bell Thursday.


Damn Philosophers.

From CNN's poll, 66% of people think this is a good thing.

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Everyone knew this was coming and they've been saying since shortly after Fiorna bought Compaq. It is almost never possible to merge two large companies and get the synergies she was claiming without pissing off costumers and losing sales.

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Suffering from ads?

Which is why Oracle buying PeopleSoft is going to hurt them, too.

IBM must love its current competitors...

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We should stick to things like running the Catholic Church and Canada.

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I blame it on HP's decision to offer I pods.

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Breaking up the company into three parts wouldn't be good in the long run either. Wall Street would like it because it would generate short term faster growth thus giving investors big short term profits. In the long run though you'd end up with three weak companies which will be swallowed by their competitors or who will be too small to compete. This is what happened to AT&T and now that company is virtually dead.

If the goal is to provide short term profits for speculators then break ups are good. If your goal is to provide a large, healthy, industry leader then the break ups are bad. Sure, sell off non-core businesses and refocus but don't destroy a great company just so speculators can turn a quick buck.

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We should stick to things like running the Catholic Church and Canada.

It seems you guys have a penchant for scandals and unethical behaviour.

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Breaking up the company into three parts wouldn't be good in the long run either. Wall Street would like it because it would generate short term faster growth thus giving investors big short term profits. In the long run though you'd end up with three weak companies which will be swallowed by their competitors or who will be too small to compete. This is what happened to AT&T and now that company is virtually dead.

If the goal is to provide short term profits for speculators then break ups are good. If your goal is to provide a large, healthy, industry leader then the break ups are bad. Sure, sell off non-core businesses and refocus but don't destroy a great company just so speculators can turn a quick buck.

I think breakups can be good, in some cases. It's part of the image. If a company makes everything under the sun, under the same brand, it gives the impression that they put less effort into one area or another.

It makes sense, to me, to have 2 HPs: the Consumer HP, and the Business HP.

It's the similar reasoning behind IBM not entering the consumer marketspace. In the few areas they have done so, they've spun off companies (ie, Lexmark) or sold them off. It's harder to take HP seriously when buying a $100M data center from them, when they're selling iPods at the same time.

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Which is why Oracle buying PeopleSoft is going to hurt them, too.


Yeah, but it's probably gonna make my friend quite happy monetarily.

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Yeah, but it's probably gonna make my friend quite happy monetarily.

I'm going to assume your friend didn't work for PeopleSoft.

Oracle laid off half of PeopleSoft's work force via courier mail on the weekend.

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I'm thinking more along the lines of her options.

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Which is why Oracle buying PeopleSoft is going to hurt them, too.

IBM must love its current competitors...


Software is easier to merge then hardware but eventually they will have to rationalize the product line and that will piss off some people. They'll have to settle on standards as well which currently there are two different for just about everything so still more people will be pissed off.

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It seems you guys have a penchant for scandals and unethical behaviour.


The secret is out.

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Software is easier to merge then hardware but eventually they will have to rationalize the product line and that will piss off some people. They'll have to settle on standards as well which currently there are two different for just about everything so still more people will be pissed off.

Oracle currently doesn't publish any software that competes with Peoplesoft, which was the reason for the purchase. They had started to make one, but that's been scrapped now that they own Peoplesoft.

The problem is the corporate cultures. Peoplesoft was very casual, Oracle is not. Now Oracle spent 18 months in a hostile takeover attempt, and laid off half of the employees via courier mail on the weekend.

The other Peoplesoft employees are bound to just quit, leaving Oracle with a huge application base and no one familiar with it.

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Asher: Sony, Toshiba, and Samsung all successfully maintain strong positions in multiple fields as do a few European Companies. It is actually a big strength for them because although growth is slower the companies are more secure and have deeper pockets to weather the downsides. that's important in low margin businesses.

You don't want to do everything under the sun but if you are an electronics company it makes sense to do both consumer and corporate sales. It uses the same set of skills, reforces the brand to potential costumers, and if you use flexible manufacturing it means you have more products to choose from when trying to maximize manufactuing capicity utilization.

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The other Peoplesoft employees are bound to just quit, leaving Oracle with a huge application base and no one familiar with it.


Who will either be able to set themselves up as PS consultants, consulting either directly to Oracle or to their clients.

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Sony is a terrible example to use -- the company is imploding internally with only one division making a profit. There was huge infighting in the company which caused it to miss the MP3 player boat, as well. The Playstation itself was opposed by much of the company, and was barely allowed to exist. Now it's about the only thing making Sony money.

It's the perfect example for the case to split a company up, not to keep it together.

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Even a different brand while under the same company would suffice (think Lexus vs Toyota).

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Sony has had a problem keeping its costs down and has been slow to react. That's just bad mangement. Over all the company is stronger because they have better credit and have such high cash flows then if they were smaller units.

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Sony has had a problem keeping its costs down and has been slow to react. That's just bad mangement. Over all the company is stronger because they have better credit and have such high cash flows then if they were smaller units.

It's bad management because it's such a huge company with such diverse interests that the business groups cannot agree with eachother.

Sony Music didn't want to have anything to do with MP3 Players, for obvious reasons. They prevented the release of any, enough to give away marketshare to everyone else.

The bad management includes having so many competing interests under one umbrella.

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Tired of ads?

Yes, they do have to many units. They should sell the music/movie business and just concentrate on electronics.

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The Movie/Music business was the only other business to make money.

Electronics lost money, Computer entertainment made money (Playstation).

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Damn Philosophers.

From CNN's poll, 66% of people think this is a good thing.


She has no right to complain, after all she had no right to that job. And I have to say, About damned time.

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Oracle currently doesn't publish any software that competes with Peoplesoft, which was the reason for the purchase.




Oracle, SAP and Peoplesoft were the big 3 ERP players.

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Oracle, SAP and Peoplesoft were the big 3 ERP players.

Oracle's "Oracle Financial" and its kin don't really compete with Peoplesoft's produts.

They're far less functional and pretty much rarely used in comparison.

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The Movie/Music business was the only other business to make money.

Electronics lost money, Computer entertainment made money (Playstation).


All the more reason to do it. Spin off or sell the profitable and completely non-core movies/music unit when you can get the best price. Then use the money to rebuild the core electronics unit. Go after previously neglected niches such as MP3 players and cut costs by closing factories in high cost places (Japan) and opening new ones in low cost areas (China & India). Result a profitable and focused company which still can dominate electronics.

If you broke it down even further into say consumer electronics, corporate sales, and computers then you'll end up with a company to small to dominate and they'll be swollowed by competetors. Size matters but you need to maintain a core focus.

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The problem isn't with her lacking any balls, it's with her not understanding her market, being a philosopher and all.

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Philosophers running things other than philosophy schools

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GP is giving his thumbs up to this move, wherever he is.

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Sony has had a problem keeping its costs down and has been slow to react. That's just bad mangement. Over all the company is stronger because they have better credit and have such high cash flows then if they were smaller units.


Sony is a weak company. A vast destroyer of value. Toshiba ain't so hot, either.

 
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