11-02-2005 10:05									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Which is comletely right. Complain to your parents for chosing religious schools.

I was only stating a fact.

Those were good schools, got nice chapels, and all those rituals were kinda interesting to watch.

	11-02-2005 15:30									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I was only stating a fact. Those were good schools, got nice chapels, and all those rituals were kinda interesting to watch.

If it was not a regular state school, and You could go to a school that did not include it, I wouldn't call it "compulsory religious education". That's my point.

	11-02-2005 15:44									#63
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I was forced to watch the sound of music over and over and over again every christmas in Sweden. Does that count?

Sweden? Not Guantanamo ?


I had the usual Roman Catholic upbringing- a church run infant and junior school, masses said at the school regularly, compulsory attendance at the church on holy days of obligation, et cetera. No priestly molestation though.


Then a non-denominational grammar school where thanks to being an R.C. holy roller, I had forty minutes free every week, while the other (non-Catholic) pupils had to sit through religious education.



Made for a very enjoyable way to read through the school library at leisure.

	11-02-2005 15:49									#64
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Kids whose parents choose get released early to go to a church run religious ed program.

So you're telling me no public money was used and the best you can come up with is the school allowed students to leave early to attend religious events?

I stand by my previous statement.

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Dry - NoneOfTheAbove. Its was called 'morale'. I think you mean "morals". Morale refers to the happiness level of a group of people, usually troops. In fact, morale is often at odds with morals.

He's using the french term.

	11-02-2005 17:40									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed It's part of the compulsory curriculum in sweden from secondary-level onwards. It's nominally a kind of "comparative sociology/anthropology of religions" course but in practice tends to be taught by rabid free-church (radical protestant) nutcases, often in cardigans. I left Sweden age 11, thank god, and so missed out on that crap.

Basically the same thing here. It was more learning about other cultures and different world religions. Actually pretty useful in getting the basics of stuff like Budhism and Sikhism but they were the most boring/worst teachers lessons ever.

As the last question of my 1st year (year 7 these days, age 11) RE exam we had to recount the story of Rama and Sita. I wrote my own story involving ninjas and stuff that but using real character and place names etc. Got 93% on the exam.

	11-02-2005 18:04									#67
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I used to go to Catholic school, from grades 1-4, but since that's private it certainly doesn't count as "mandatory". We also studied parts of the Bible in English last year, but that was as literature.

	11-02-2005 18:29									#68
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Dry - NoneOfTheAbove. Its was called 'morale'. I think you mean "morals". Morale refers to the happiness level of a group of people, usually troops.

indeed. I always mix up the two....

	11-02-2005 22:53									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson If it was not a regular state school, and You could go to a school that did not include it, I wouldn't call it "compulsory religious education". That's my point.

Your argument is silly.

It's like saying that if I didn't go to university A I didn't need to take physics, or you wouldn't have to pay so much tax if you were in the US instead of Sweden.

	11-02-2005 23:01									#70
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yes we did down-under. all part of our anglo-saxon colonial upbringing. good for keep the masses enthralled I believe. it seems to work just fine. saturday is our main day:

- church on saturday afternoon for wine wafer and song

- pub on saturday night for wine women and song

	11-02-2005 23:58									#71
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why are there so many yes votes?

I live in a country (U.S.) that is secular and does not require religious education.

Yeah I went to this one sunday school type thing at a church, but that wasn't mandatory. When my brother made fun of me, I stopped going. It was all my choice.

Where I come from, kids make fun of kids that go to church.

	12-02-2005 01:29									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Your argument is silly. It's like saying that if I didn't go to university A I didn't need to take physics, or you wouldn't have to pay so much tax if you were in the US instead of Sweden.

Uh, actually, the argument that college-level physics isn't mandatory is a rather good one.

	12-02-2005 01:47									#73
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some of you guys had some 'awesome' teachers

We had a great one... I thought of him as the best teacher in school. Our religion classes were the opposite of religious. It was very.. it's tough to say, his approach was so great. He was funny, I mean genuinely funny dude and smart. I think highly of him even today. We went through all the major and some not-so-major religions and took the same approach on them all. It was definitely NOT Christian biased classes. We didn't whip out the bible, not a single time. The only thing we talked about bible was when he taught us how it was made, who wrote it and how it was put together. That's it. We took more like a global look at religion, and sociological one. It was pretty interesting, plus he made it interesting so most of us enjoyed it in fact.

He also came up with his own remarks about some of the loopholes in all religions etc, and of course the victims of religions of all religions by war or by monsterous religious leaders etc. And also psychological victims of religions. Hey we even had Scientology. SO that's how seriously the religious side was religious. It was more .. like history classes. But he was still tasteful always, while making total fun of all religions, he never .. talked them down. We were taught to respect them all, by knowing what they are about, and how much they are alike, and how they all have their loopholes, and how they all this and that. We were taught by example, but more from sociological and historical point of view. We even had atheist approach. It was religion, in its pure form. Not about religion as in believing in something.

We took a look at most things in religion, also in their architecture at times, he once brought his vacation pics from all around the world and we looked at the buildings from different regions, it was fun. Once he took out a guitar, and we were like 'oh damn what's this', but he just started singing the OTHER songs like Bruce Springsteen's born in the usa!

But yeah, while being funny and mostly making us laugh, and beating on religions, he also taught about them so we were left with knowledge of religions, their similarities and differencies, histories etc, unbiased and respectfully. It's too bad some of you have had bad experiences.. I wouldn't want a fundie teaching my class. That's exactly what it isn't supposed to be.

Furthermore, I feel they were great classes, that should be considered as basic information for civilized people. It builds tolerance and mutual respect and understanding. It's cultural thing. Of course if you have some whacko teaching it, then it's just a waste of time and scaring people and christian mongering. that's what it's not about in here, in the mandatory classes.

I remember doing 3 presentations. One was of Rastafaris, major point being the weed of course, one I did from Wiccas, and one from.. Satanism. So there's your 'YOU GO TO HELL IF YOU DON'T TAKE THIS AS THE TRUTH!' type of classes.. at least we didn't.

	12-02-2005 02:37									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident why are there so many yes votes?

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There are so many yes voted because a great many of us come from places where religion classes are obligatory. They being obligatory seems to be the norm within the Western world.

	12-02-2005 02:57									#76
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I went to a private Christian high school, and religious training was mandatory while attending there, but being a private school, attendance was volutary by definition.

Draw your own conclusion.

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When I was at school (hmmm, maybe 12 years ago) we had religious instructions once a week. Being under no allusions of the value of this class we called it Ridiculous Interruptions, but to be honest it was far more entertaining than regular classes.

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It's kind of mandatory in Austria at basic/junior level. You get educated in your religion, but you don't have to if you're "without confession" or if a certain religious education isn't available nearby. So, islamic children on the country generally don't have religion class. In high school you may chose to continue your religious education or take "Ethics" class instead.

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quote: Originally posted by Blake When I was at school (hmmm, maybe 12 years ago) we had religious instructions once a week. Being under no allusions of the value of this class we called it Ridiculous Interruptions, but to be honest it was far more entertaining than regular classes.

Once, our religion teacher had the very bad idea to actually make a test about what we know. This was our very first, only and successful collective strike. We all sat there and didn't fill in the paper, except for one strike breaker. Needless to say, our poor teacher had serious depressions after that by having finally completely understood her lack of power. In the 8 years I went to that school, two religion teachers went mental - and my school is among the best and most civilised...

	12-02-2005 05:26									#80
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Yeah, it's mandatory in the UK, but I never received anything pushy...

	12-02-2005 14:15									#81
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though you people who went to religious schools really shouldn't complain. I went to public schools. The worst in the country.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident though you people who went to religious schools really shouldn't complain. I went to public schools. The worst in the country.

In the US maybe. Over here, not (yet). I'd hate to have your school system.

	12-02-2005 20:48									#83
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I went to Sunday school as a child, but all I remember from that was my last teacher who was an OB/GYN and spent most of the class talking about STDs and protection (which was unique for a Catholic teacher). Then, during my brief stint in a Catholic High School, we had a world religions class, with another openminded teacher. You didn't even have to be Catholic to attend the school, but it helps.

	12-02-2005 21:58									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST Of course. In Germany it is mandatory til the 10th class. Either catholic, or protestant (which I attended to) or muslim (although in some cases pupils could be exempted from them, for example because there were no organized religious lessons for their belief)

Ehm...no, actually it's not. Are you from Bavaria?

Noone is forced to receive a religious education. You can normally choose beetween "Ethics" and a religious education.

Bavaria is different from the rest of Germany. They even pray in the morning and there are a lot of crucifixes in every public school. They are way backward...

	12-02-2005 22:06									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Your argument is silly. It's like saying that if I didn't go to university A I didn't need to take physics, or you wouldn't have to pay so much tax if you were in the US instead of Sweden.

Your arguements are silly.
You chose your school at some point in your life. You're not altering your previous situation by the choice You make; it'd change anyway no matter what choice You've made.

You were not borned as a pupil of this school, as You were borned as a citizen of your state.

And if You're chosing "Physics' University", it's somewhat strange expect physics not to be taught there. You could go to another school.

	12-02-2005 22:09									#86
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quote: Bavaria is different from the rest of Germany. They even pray in the morning and there are a lot of crucifixes in every public school. They are way backward...

religious = backward?


And I've heard Bavaria has, or at least had recently, the best economic situation in Germany?

	12-02-2005 22:15									#87
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No I didn't. Not that I would have wanted to, but the private religious schools do a much better job at education than the public schools here in California.

	12-02-2005 22:16									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson religious = backward?

	12-02-2005 22:24									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson religious = backward?

Sure. They promote Christianity (crucifixes and all that stuff) but want to ban the headscarf. The state should be neutral in religious affairs and not try to force religious beliefs on someone.

quote: And I've heard Bavaria has, or at least had recently, the best economic situation in Germany?

The richest state actually is Hesse. Baden-Württemberg has the lowest unemployment rate. However, Bavaria is doing good but I doubt it's because of their practice of religious indoctrination.

	12-02-2005 22:35									#90
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Not because, but it's not stoping it, right?

Scarf...
I've always thought that if they want to wear it, they should. Face is not any other part of body. It's what people remember in us, our identity.
Still, if they want it - their matter, and forcing someone to dress one way or another is not right (on the other hand, I'd mind ugly naked people in the streats )

Still, it's not "backwardness".