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Verto is offline Verto

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I'm looking to buy a new laptop within the next 4 months or so. I'm not in need of an ultraportable, .5 oz laptop; nor am I wanting to carry the Hulk in my pack. I'm not buying it for gaming (I doubt anything more than Civ2, Rebellion and other older games would wind up on the hard drive) so I don't need a graphics powerhouse. I'd use it primarily for the Internet, college work, etc. The features I really want is to have wireless capability, with no need for protruding USB devices that can break off; I'd like to be able to just pull out my laptop, turn it on, and access the nearest wireless station(when applicable, of course). I'd also like to avoid brands with a poor track record.

Here's what I'm looking at:

Apple iBook G4 (12'')




• 256MB DDR266 SDRAM (built-in)
• 30GB Ultra ATA drive
• Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
• AirPort Extreme Card
• Bluetooth Module
• Keyboard & Mac OS X - U.S. English
• 12-inch TFT XGA display
• 1.2GHz PowerPC G4
• ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 w/ 32MB DDR video memory

(Also a plus: almost all reviews rave about the actual battery life of the iBook, which is much longer than the alleged life of other laptops. I also like the look of it, very pleasing.)

Price: 994.00 + tax

Dell Inspiron 8600 (15.4'')



Intel Pentium M (1.60 GHz)
RAM installed-- 256 MB DDR SDRAM
40 GB IDE
DVD-ROM
Weight-- 6.6 lbs
15.4 in TFT active matrix
Max resolution-- 1280 x 800
Video RAM installed-- 32 MB
Video output-- AGP 4x
Audio output-- Sound card
Network adapter
56 Kbps Fax / modem
Battery installed-- 1 Lithium ion
Mfr estimated battery life-- 4.5 hour(s)
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
1 year warranty

Price: ~ 1,450 $




Sony VAIO B Series



Intel Celeron M (1.3 GHz)
256 MB DDR SDRAM
30 GB IDE Internal
DVD-ROM
5.1 lbs
14.1 in TFT active matrix
56 Kbps Fax / modem Internal PCI
Battery installed-- 1 Lithium ion
5 hour(s) estimated battery life
Microsoft Windows XP Professional

Price: Starting at 999$

Toshiba Satellite A65-S126


256 MB DDR SDRAM
60 GB IDE
CD-RW / DVD-ROM combo
7.7 lbs
15 in TFT active matrix
56 Kbps Fax / modem
Battery installed-- 1 Lithium ion
Microsoft Windows XP Home

Price: ~800+



I checked out IBM, or at least what they have that's within my price range, which was the R Series. I wasn't all that impressed.


I've also heard bad things about HP/Compaq - should I even bother looking at them? Have you guys had any good/bad experiences with the ones I listed above, or want to point out one I didn't?

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From those Dell 8600

+ CPU
+ TFT

Though I'm sure that with 1450 $ You will get something much much better from Acer for example...

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Out those three, the Dell.

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For example I just bought Acer Travelmate 4002WCLi for 1150 €
It had P-M 725
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Verto is offline Verto

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The Dell Inspiron 700M looks like a decent buy, too. I just found it.

Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Home
Processor Class: Pentium M
Processor Speed: 1.8 GHz
RAM: 512 MB
Hard Drive Capacity: 60 GB
Hard Drive Speed: 5400 rpm
Graphics Memory: 64
Primary Optical Drive: DVD+RW
Wireless: 802.11g
Screen Size: 12 inches
Screen Size Type: widescreen
System Weight: 4 lbs
Type: Mainstream, Multimedia, Ultraportable

PC Mag gives it 4/5 stars, with "no Bluetooth, poor battery life" being some of the cons.

EDIT: It's going for 999 right now, but that's only after rebates. It's real price is closer to 1400, which puts it on the fringe of affordability for me.

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If you are thinking about a mac, I'd go for the 12 inch powerbook for the same price as the Dell.

Compact and much more powerful than the ibook, and will retain value for when you want to sell it on.

$1,499.00



Estimated Ship: 1-3 business days
Free Shipping

Combo Drive
12.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
1.5GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
60GB Hard Drive
NVIDIA GeForce FX
Go5200 (64MB DDR)
Full size keyboard
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
FireWire 400
Analog audio in/out
Mini-DVI out

$1500 bucks and a lot sexier than the Dell.

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"Sexier"? It's far slower and has far less applications available for it with far worse battery life, with a smaller screen with a crappier resolution...

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A couple of my students have them. They are sweet machines.

Attachment: powerbook12front20050131_.jpg
This has been downloaded 73 time(s).

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Originally posted by Agathon
If you are thinking about a mac, I'd go for the 12 inch powerbook for the same price as the Dell.

Compact and much more powerful than the ibook, and will retain value for when you want to sell it on.

$1,499.00



Estimated Ship: 1-3 business days
Free Shipping

Combo Drive
12.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
1.5GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
60GB Hard Drive
NVIDIA GeForce FX
Go5200 (64MB DDR)
Full size keyboard
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
FireWire 400
Analog audio in/out
Mini-DVI out

$1500 bucks and a lot sexier than the Dell.


Please ignore the above....

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Originally posted by Verto
The Dell Inspiron 700M looks like a decent buy, too. I just found it.

Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Home
Processor Class: Pentium M
Processor Speed: 1.8 GHz
RAM: 512 MB
Hard Drive Capacity: 60 GB
Hard Drive Speed: 5400 rpm
Graphics Memory: 64
Primary Optical Drive: DVD+RW
Wireless: 802.11g
Screen Size: 12 inches
Screen Size Type: widescreen
System Weight: 4 lbs
Type: Mainstream, Multimedia, Ultraportable

PC Mag gives it 4/5 stars, with "no Bluetooth, poor battery life" being some of the cons.

EDIT: It's going for 999 right now, but that's only after rebates. It's real price is closer to 1400, which puts it on the fringe of affordability for me.


Much better choice than any of theother three

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That Inspiron 700M spanks the PowerBook in every conceivable way...

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As I've been checking out the websites for these competiting companies, the one thing I've noticed is that, of all that I visited, Apple proved superior in allowing me to easily select the computer I want, add the upgrades and see the price, while taking into account Student discounts, etc. I felt more compelled toward their computers than when I visited, say, Dell - their website just seems...cleaner, easier to see the specs and options.

Just a sidenote, not wanting to spark another Apple-MS war.

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Except when it comes to memory....and GPU

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"Sexier"? It's far slower and has far less applications available for it with far worse battery life, with a smaller screen with a crappier resolution...


If you say so...

it also has a superior operating system and comes with better multimedia software, has a higher resale value, is virus free and can run most major appllications (Office, Photoshop, etc.). But we could squabble about this all day and I can't be bothered, since it's all relative according to you anyway.

But if Verto is thinking about a mac, I'd suggest the Powerbook over the ibook for the reasons given above.

If he wants advice on a Windows laptop, I'm not going to offer any.

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There is no Apple-PC war. A winner is clear for notebooks.

Notebook Finder.

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Stop bringing up laptops outside of my price range. It makes me sad.

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Actually with MS Virtual PC You can run almost 100% of Windows software on Mac too

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quote:
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Stop bringing up laptops outside of my price range. It makes me sad.

There are 616 IBM ThinkPad models for sale under $1,000US.

http://www.ibm.com/products/finder/...&trac=1T10FN01A

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Stop being a **** Asher.

The guy wants some advice. You aren't fit to give any advice about Apple products, nor am I to talk about Windows laptops (I haven't touched one in years - fear of syphilis).

Again, Verto, if you really want a mac, try one out first (you may not like OS X) and go for the Powerbook over the ibook.

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I've used a PowerBook, I've read about their reliability issues, I know their performance, and I know their build quality, and I know their value...

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We know Made in China too

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Verto, if you really want a mac, try one out first (you may not like OS X) and go for the Powerbook over the ibook.


Yeah, Mac stores in malls are good for this. They'll let you play with the things for hours if you wanted to.

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I've used a PowerBook, I've read about their reliability issues, I know their performance, and I know their build quality, and I know their value...


And we all know about your objectivity in this matter. Let it rest. Don't wreck the thread.

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Both the iBook and the PowerBook sound like tempting buys - I'll be getting one of them this summer.

The PowerBook is obviously better, but the iBook has got a nice battery life, according to reviews.

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We know Made in China too

ThinkPads and PowerBooks are both made in China.

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Yeah, Mac stores in malls are good for this. They'll let you play with the things for hours if you wanted to.


You should at least try Garageband. Even a musical idiot like me can come up with something really great in about 5 minutes.

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So get a Dell

Mine was made in Ireland

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Originally posted by Asher

There are 616 IBM ThinkPad models for sale under $1,000US.

http://www.ibm.com/products/finder/...&trac=1T10FN01A


Is the G series good? I know in an earlier thread you mentioned how there was on series (T, I think?) that was excellent, but some of the others were questionable?

quote:

Again, Verto, if you really want a mac, try one out first (you may not like OS X) and go for the Powerbook over the ibook.


I tried out an iMac while at UT (oh, what a fine looking machine ) - I'd really go for one of those, except I think the portability of a laptop is something I need more. I tinkered with it for 5 minutes or so, and although I'd obviously need to experiment with it more indepth before I did purchase one, I liked it.

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Yeah, Mac stores in malls are good for this. They'll let you play with the things for hours if you wanted to.


You should at least try Garageband. Even a musical idiot like me can come up with something really great in about 5 minutes.

Ugh.

Who the hell would buy a laptop over a gimick?

Scratch that -- I guess we know the type.

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The PowerBook is obviously better, but the iBook has got a nice battery life, according to reviews.


Yeah. The ibook is a pretty nice buy for a mac now. The build quality on the powerbooks is a lot better though. Plus you'll get a lot more for the powerbook when you are finished with it.

 
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