11-02-2005 21:36									#1
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starting position

moving one of our warriors on top of that mountain next to starting pos was so obivious move, that i made it without discussion

we are sitting on top of ivory.

we have 3 settlers, 3 workers and 2 warriors. one warrior spent his movement point already by moving to the mountain.

we have masonry and ceremonial burial.

where would you like us to move the units ?

what would you like to research next.

whats the long term strategy, shall we begin to construct SoZ immediately. I think SoZ was a go, even i was against allowing the wonder. must confirm this.

Seems like only the turnplayer plays the save.

So, i'll be the turnplayer of this turn, since jshelr is still missing.

Read THIS if you are unsure how to handle the save game.

anything else ?

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	11-02-2005 22:13									#2
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can you send the saave to me please, at

chris@jackos.f2s.com


I think that we ought to move one of the workers onto the cow, though, but please don't do that just yet...

	11-02-2005 22:25									#3
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At a first glance, I think that we have a good starting spot, and I would expect Dominae to give each team starting positions that were comparable to each other. I hope that we have some food to the south , and I think that there is jungle to the north east under the FoW...


Regarding the hills to the north east, a city built 9 of the current stack would have 5 hills, the cow and two mountains, and 3+ bonus grasslnds. that is going to be a production powerhouse once we leave Despotism, and if it is the capital, capable of alot more than twenty spt (not quite 30spt, unless we forest a couple of tiles, a starve the city for a while). in a GA, we could get 30spt out quite easily...one turn pikes, or swords/horses(cheaper to upgrade in the long run to knights...) if we beeline for a government, to fight an early war with WCs...

	11-02-2005 22:36									#4
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oh, and what is the password for the save?

	11-02-2005 23:11									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Krill can you send the saave to me please, at chris@jackos.f2s.com

sent

	11-02-2005 23:11									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Krill oh, and what is the password for the save?

no pw yet, as its the first turn

	11-02-2005 23:15									#7
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Fair point

But what password did you set for the save? you could add it to the welcome thread...

	11-02-2005 23:21									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Regarding the hills to the north east, a city built 9 of the current stack would have 5 hills, the cow and two mountains, and 3+ bonus grasslnds.

I'd rather build the first city 1 of the starting stack, that way we could have the cow at radius immediately.

one worker could road + irrigate the ivory, another (or 2) could irrigate the cow asap to get the 3 fpt from the cow.

as for the 2 other settlers we need to gambit and try to find good positions, i guess ? maybe follow the river with another and send another NE or W as theres rivers seen too.

warrior 2 maybe east to explore and make possible contacts, when looking at the minimap


just thinking out loud here



btw here's the minimap

/edit: i cant type

	11-02-2005 23:24									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Fair point But what password did you set for the save? you could add it to the welcome thread...

i set it "Razer" as reads in my mouse It can still be changed, all i need to do is close the save and open it again.

	11-02-2005 23:27									#10
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I don't have a problem haveing the capital towards the south west, with the cow immediateley within the city radius, but I think a city using the high lands would be be incredably powerful especialy for wonder builds.

Moving a worker 2 would be very useful, as it could help wiht our making decisions.

Your choice, Boss

	11-02-2005 23:28									#11
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regarding tech -- is pottery obvious?

btw, i don't like the lonely ivory. usually it's in a group. someone else has ivory also.

we need to get SoZ / math. But a prebuild means we can wait for math.

	11-02-2005 23:28									#12
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posting properly so the thread sends me notices.

	11-02-2005 23:29									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Krill I think that we ought to move one of the workers onto the cow, though, but please don't do that just yet...

we could do that as our next move and see what it reveals. i think nobody would disagree there ?

i'll go grab a bite to eat and will be back in 30 mins or so to move the worker - or something else.

	11-02-2005 23:30									#14
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Oh, and we might choose to wait a couple of turns to get the palace into a position that suits us best uin the long run. If we wait three turns, so that all of the settlers are on the tiles that we want the city, we can settle the most central one to get the capital in the best place...

	11-02-2005 23:32									#15
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Bite to eat? I have my plate with chips on to the left of the keyboard!! I don't want to miss this starting turn, seeing as it is the first time that I have been part of a team in a demogame from the start...

	11-02-2005 23:37									#16
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are those chips really french fries?

	11-02-2005 23:40									#17
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My guess before we look at anything is that we can build where we are now and move one settler 3 steps SouthWest with the other going 3 NorthEast. (Riverside locations.)

Would like to get started on research and it looks like the capital would be in an ok spot.

	11-02-2005 23:41									#18
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Nah, peel a potato, and cut it into 8 blocks. Do it to 5 potatoes, and fry 'em. Fry two eggs, and butter 4 rounds of bread, and you have a meal fit for a king...

	11-02-2005 23:42									#19
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I'm gaining weight just reading that.

	11-02-2005 23:43									#20
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have to leave now. You guys pls make all needed decisions.

	11-02-2005 23:47									#21
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Short answer: Move a worker on to the cow. we have to do it anyway, and doing it before we move anything else is smarter than settling know and finding ouot that we have missed something important.

My other concern about settling on the starting position is that while in despotism it won't be good for anything other than troops, unless we find some more food under the FoW. I would rather use two turns exploring then settling now and gambling with the furture...

	11-02-2005 23:59									#22
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	12-02-2005 00:06									#23
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jshelrs idea of building a city right on the spot is good.

there will be nice amount of production later, and we'll be able to use the cow and start research immediately.

on such a small and crowded map the later production may not mean as much as the ability to produce a lot of stuff right from the start.

research-wise i tend to agree with jshelr also, pottery might be the first tech for us.


what if we move another worker 4, on top of the BG ? it would reveal yet some tiles.

	12-02-2005 00:07									#24
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Ok, we need atleast one worker to stay on the tile if we move all three settlers, right? we also have to move atleast two settlers, if we do settle, so lets move them, or maybe the last warrior, next...


I suggest that we move one east, but I'm not really certain if it is as useful to move a settler to the east, as there are no indications that the land to the east will aid our growth...

	12-02-2005 00:10									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Bite to eat? I have my plate with chips on to the left of the keyboard!! I don't want to miss this starting turn, seeing as it is the first time that I have been part of a team in a demogame from the start...

i had almost no eatable food at home had to get some fries and a burger from a fast food thingie.

	12-02-2005 00:13									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Ok, we need atleast one worker to stay on the tile if we move all three settlers, right? we also have to move atleast two settlers, if we do settle, so lets move them, or maybe the last warrior, next...

good points. warrior 6 and worker 4 ? we'll see more tiles by doing that and can then decide where to move with rest.

quote: Originally posted by Krill I suggest that we move one east, but I'm not really certain if it is as useful to move a settler to the east, as there are no indications that the land to the east will aid our growth...

i'd like to be sure we can settle all 3 settlers along river, that would give us nice research boost, and ofcourse the free aquas.

	12-02-2005 00:13									#27
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gah, crossposting like hell... As I said earlier I think that 9 is a better city site, but the current position can get 20spt by size8 (both hills, the mountain, the cow and 4 bonus grasslands), So I can understand you points. Just remember that if we do settle, then we have to pay 3gpt in support costs, so we would only be making 1-2gpt, and 3spt (probably a good idea to start a granary prebuild after build a one or two warriors)

	12-02-2005 00:14									#28
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oh, and to pottery. Maybe the Wheel afterwards?

	12-02-2005 00:24									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Krill gah, crossposting like hell... As I said earlier I think that 9 is a better city site, but the current position can get 20spt by size8 (both hills, the mountain, the cow and 4 bonus grasslands), So I can understand you points. Just remember that if we do settle, then we have to pay 3gpt in support costs, so we would only be making 1-2gpt, and 3spt (probably a good idea to start a granary prebuild after build a one or two warriors)

yes, the maintenance is unfortunate, but we'll get over that soon by settling another site in 3-4 turns.

yeah, a warrior or two, depending. atleast one. exploration is extemely important.

quote: Originally posted by Krill oh, and to pottery. Maybe the Wheel afterwards?

that was my thinking too, we need the WC's online asap (if we have horses nearby)


so, i'll move the warrior 6 (he'll be on his exploration way to East, if we do that) and worker 4 (we need to improve that BG anyway) ?

	12-02-2005 00:52									#30
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no objecting comments, so ive moved the units

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