07-03-2005 01:48									#91
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OK, it nets out like this -- 17 cities, 8 setts on the board. Two camels in waiting, 6 in production. 2 triremes in production. 1st in land area, pop, and production. Five new techs, but not quite the ones we would have preferred. We do, however, get to choose a new tech next turn...
The log...

1000 BC -- Reset camels to setts, temples to barracks. Rushbuy the odd row.
975 -- Bactra settlers, HG completed. We Love The Shah in cap.
950 -- Tyre disbands, antioch completes barracks.
925 -- Sidon and Susa produce settlers. Retread founded.
900 --
875 -- Samaria barracks, 2 huts spotted.
850 --Ghulaman founded on wheat as northern port. Hut yields a horsie.
825 -- Gordium and SSC complete settlers, Ergili starts one.
800-- discover Mysticism, start on map making.
775 -- Hut = nomads
750 --
725 -- Pasagardae settler, start van. Hut = nomads again! . Zohak founded.
700 -- We're Most Powerful. Istakhr founded.
675 -- Russians start Colossus. Pop = 400K
650 -- Hamadan, Persepolis issue setts. Hut = Feudalism.
625 -- The wine is mined!
600 -- Jinjan founded
575 -- Egypt destroyed by Greeks. Ergili disorder. Barazjian founded.
550 -- Our wise men disconver the art of Map Making and we start a couple boats. Now studying Horseback. Hut = Seafaring.
525 -- Russians complete Colossus. Ergili issues more settlers.
500 -- Pop over 500K. Hut yields Horseback Riding.

Unlucky on the techs, but plenty of cities, much better roads. It might make sense to ignore the LH and go for Magellan. Probably overloaded on setts vs vans, but I admit to playing quickly and without a lot of planning.

Peaster -- I'm a Mac guy, for it's MGE only for me.

	07-03-2005 01:57									#92
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Not that it's likely to be used, but here's the .sav

Attachment: jr_500bc.sav
This has been downloaded 4 time(s).

	07-03-2005 04:38									#93
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Not that it's likely to be used, but here's the .sav

awaiting LaF (and anyone else who wants to prove their mettle).

RCC can start anytime

	07-03-2005 13:25									#94
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VOTES!!!!!!

	07-03-2005 16:31									#95
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It is hard to make a decision on these four saves. Although there are many differences in detail, the similarities are far stronger. Even Peaster's MPE save has the same 17 - 18 cities, and basically the same prospects for the next 20 turns.

I prefer the two saves with the wine hill near SSC mined. (Jrabbit and Grigor). And I like having Sun Tzu (Grigor). But I very much like Peaster's city placement.

I await more thoughts and RCC.

	07-03-2005 17:25									#96
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For me, it's between Peaster and Grigor. I'm leaning toward Peaster's save, with boats on the board, several more techs, Philo next and presumably crucs close behind. Grigor's is recommended by STWA with MPE yet to come.

Depite all my whinging about the idea of waiting as long as possible for MPE, I think Peaster's save shows the better development overall and I lean in that direction.

I find my own save a little embarrassing.

	07-03-2005 19:00									#97
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Wait for LaF ! We can't vote before the posting deadline ! I will probably look at all the saves tonight. It would be helpful to know the plans of each player for the next 20 turns.

For example, I would like to know approx how long Fundy, Banking, etc would take to pay off compared to the plan of sending out boats ASAP. BTW - What is our goal in this game ? I was thinking it was early conquest, but maybe I made an assumption.

	08-03-2005 01:36									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Peaster Wait for LaF ! It would be helpful to know the plans of each player for the next 20 turns. For example, I would like to know approx how long Fundy, Banking, etc would take to pay off compared to the plan of sending out boats ASAP. BTW - What is our goal in this game ? I was thinking it was early conquest, but maybe I made an assumption.

No votes were recorded, LAF save not posted, propbably RL interferred.

Strategy for my game is included my log.

Remember in this game, every tech we learn is given to the then enemy, we have no technical superiority.

The game is a blood lust game. We win by conquering the world. How you conquer the world is up to you. Early, late or just before lunch makes no difference.

We vote on the save we think can best achieve that goal. On the subject of voting, as there are four saves this time, I was thinking of a preference type voting system. Give each save a rating from 1-4 (with four being be the best and one being the worst save of this round) Obviously the same rating can not be used for two saves.

For example:
JR's save: 4
Peaster: 3
Grigor: 2
Ant: 1

would be a legitimate vote. The save with the hightest cumulative votes wins that round. Thoughts appreciated. votes awaiting.

	08-03-2005 06:18									#99
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OK.
Grigor 4
Peaster 3
JRabbit 2
Ant 1

My strategy in the next 20 turns would be to build LH, expand to nearby islands, learn Philosophy and Mono, build MC. I will have vans saved, but will try to buld MPE as late as possible in hopes that the AI knows something on the way to Invention or Banking. The ultimate goal is Demo, SoL, and Soft Fundy.

	08-03-2005 08:17									#100
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Peaster 4
Grigor 3
Atomant 2
-Jrabbit 1

	08-03-2005 10:43									#101
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Grigor 4
-JRabbit 3
Peaster 2
Ant 1

	08-03-2005 10:46									#102
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Tally to date:
In front by a nose (grigor): 11
Peaster: By a neck at: 9
-JRabbit third by a length at six
and last by a mile Ant with 4

LaF's votes to be factored in....

Voting closes wednesday noon (GMT)

	09-03-2005 11:44									#103
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Peaster 4
Grigor 3
Rabbit 2
Ant 1

	09-03-2005 14:42									#104
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Voting closed, votes tallied.
Ant 5
JR 8
Peaster 13

And this weeks winner Grigor with 15 points... Golf clap....

Saves due monday, 12 noon GMT

	09-03-2005 22:42									#105
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quote: Originally posted by atomant LAF save not posted, propbably RL interferred.

Yes, RL (health) did interfere.
Don't wait for me. I shall be a lurker from now on (at least for the next few turns).

	10-03-2005 02:40									#106
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Sorry to hear you're not feeling well, La Fayette. Though I see it did not interfere with playing the GOTM (or perhaps, playing the GOTM interfered with your health?)...

	11-03-2005 07:55									#107
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Strategy in the next 20 turns:
-- learn Maps, build LH (5 turns) (sleeping van, Tyre, Bactra, SSC)
-- expand to nearby islands to settle the Map
-- learn Philosophy and Mono, then Banking
-- build MC with saved vans
-- save vans for MPE
== build MPE as late as possible in hopes that the AI knows something on the way to Invention or Banking.
-- Ultimate goal: Demo (=Banking + Invention), SoL, and Soft Fundy.
-- It might be nice to get Persepolis to sixe 5 for Xinning.

Peaster asked a good qustion: approx how long will Fundy, Banking, etc take to pay off compared to the plan of sending out boats ASAP?

I think that with restarts on, settling the map is as important as wiping out the original civs early. I expect to begin war with the AI only after MPE, which I hope to get by 1AD. Depnding on how far along the AI is, we could get Navigation (Magellans) before Demo/Fundy. Or spend a few turns in Demo before Fundy (my choice) to build up a super productive civ.

Projected last wipeout: 750AD. Then I playd my turnset...

spoiler(highlight to read): 500 BC tickle production. 475 Egyptians dstroyed by Greeks. Herat founded 450* Daykanus (20) founded 425 Elephant kills chariot=>vet. 400 Maps=>Lit. 325 Vikes nearly done with Pyr. SSC builds LH 300 Trondheim builds Pyr 225 Hut: Bampur (21) on another continent. 200 Lit=>Phil (352). Max beakers: 43. Need a delivered van. 175 Vikes start Copernicus - they will have Astro for us. 125 Mongols nearly done with Colossus 100 Nishapur builds Colossus. Hidden Pheasant mined near Persepolis. Hut: 100g 25 A truly unwelcome announcement - Athens discovers Philosophy first! Time for a new stratgy. Science to Zero. Hut: Tribe (22) 1AD Barbs attack trireme - it survives but injured. Hut: Nomads -- at least that luck is good -- Four Vans delivered for MPE. The Plan is to get Philosophy from Greeks, then discover Mono next turn. Science is set to zero and must stay there until we trade for Philosophy. Eight Vans are around for MC. That will make things less dicey, but 16 more vans are necessary for the Statue and Magellan's

This was not what I expected, and I await other saves, especially from those with different plans. I am used to having the AI get some wonders, but I have not had Philosophy go to an AI first for many years.

	11-03-2005 23:49									#108
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quote: Originally posted by atomant The game is a blood lust game. We win by conquering the world. How you conquer the world is up to you. Early, late or just before lunch makes no difference.

Guys, I didn't understand this at the start. And unfortunately, after reading it, the sxn game doesn't interest me very much. I will probably drop out. Also, I guess some of my RCC was probably too harsh, considering that conquering quickly was not the point. No offense intended. Anyway, best of luck to the Persians!

	14-03-2005 06:56									#109
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OK, my turn set this round. Sorry it is brief, but people had the nasty habit of wanting to interview me for jobs this week. How rude!!!!


Lots of time was spent building roads and vans.

500BC Pressed enter
475BC Egyptians destroyed by greeks, Herat founded
400BC Dakanyus founded
300BC Tondheim builds pyramids
150BC Temple built in parasgade
0

and accidently pressed return....

we discover philosphy, immediately discover horseback riding(?) start researching poly.

Also note, not huts popped as I wanted to keep tech costs down. One further strategy, to avoid giving techs, is to build great library and take techs from other civs?

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	16-03-2005 21:05									#110
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette Yes, RL (health) did interfere. Don't wait for me. I shall be a lurker from now on (at least for the next few turns).

My friend,
I hope this is the result of some passing bug and that you quickly get back on top of things. I am finding that life w/o Civ is very bleak, and so, here's to your speedy recovery!!

Monk

	19-03-2005 21:26									#111
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Monk, best wishes to you, too! La Fayette mentioned in another thread that he had a serious operation recently. AFAIK he is doing OK. I guess he can say more if he wants.

BTW - In case it wasn't clear, my statement of disinterest was about the goal, rather than the game itself. If anybody is still interested in playing this out, maybe we can talk about new goals/rules. I do not insist on EC, but just conquering "someday" doesn't sound likely to challenge us. Not likely to motivate good discussions of strategy either, IMHO.

I admit that I am a newbie to sxn games, so maybe I am missing the point here.