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Taehan Mingook
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...death&printer=1
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AP: Iraqi Died While Hung From Wrists
Thu Feb 17, 3:58 PM ET
By SETH HETTENA, Associated Press Writer
SAN DIEGO - An Iraqi whose corpse was photographed with grinning U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib died under CIA (news - web sites) interrogation while in a position condemned by human rights groups as torture ?suspended by his wrists, with his hands cuffed behind his back, according to reports reviewed by The Associated Press.
The death of the prisoner, Manadel al-Jamadi, became known last year when the Abu Ghraib prison scandal broke. The U.S. military said back then that the death had been ruled a homicide. But the exact circumstances under which the man died were not disclosed at the time.
The prisoner died in a position known as "Palestinian hanging," the documents reviewed by The AP show. It is unclear whether that position was approved by the Bush administration for use in CIA interrogations.
The spy agency, which faces congressional scrutiny over its detention and interrogation of terror suspects at the Baghdad prison and elsewhere, declined to comment for this story, as did the Justice Department.
Al-Jamadi was one of the CIA's "ghost" detainees at Abu Ghraib ?prisoners being held secretly by the agency.
His death in November 2003 became public with the release of photos of Abu Ghraib guards giving a thumbs-up over his bruised and puffy-faced corpse, which had been packed in ice. One of those guards was Pvt. Charles Graner, who last month received 10 years in a military prison for abusing detainees.
Al-Jamadi died in a prison shower room during about a half-hour of questioning, before interrogators could extract any information, according to the documents, which consist of statements from Army prison guards to investigators with the military and the CIA's Inspector General's office.
One Army guard, Sgt. Jeffery Frost, said the prisoner's arms were stretched behind him in a way he had never before seen. Frost told investigators he was surprised al-Jamadi's arms "didn't pop out of their sockets," according to a summary of his interview.
Frost and other guards had been summoned to reposition al-Jamadi, who an interrogator said was not cooperating. As the guards released the shackles and lowered al-Jamadi, blood gushed from his mouth "as if a faucet had been turned on," according to the interview summary.
The military pathologist who ruled the case a homicide found several broken ribs and concluded al-Jamadi died from pressure to the chest and difficulty breathing.
Dr. Michael Baden, a distinguished civilian pathologist who reviewed the autopsy for a defense attorney in the case, agreed in an interview that the position in which al-Jamadi was suspended could have contributed to his death.
Dr. Vincent Iacopino, director of research for Physicians for Human Rights, called the hyper-extension of the arms behind the back "clear and simple torture." The European Court of Human Rights found Turkey guilty of torture in 1996 in a case of Palestinian hanging ?a technique Iacopino said is used worldwide but named for its alleged use by Israel in the Palestinian territories.
The Washington Post reported last year that after the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, the CIA suspended the use of its "enhanced interrogation techniques," including stress positions, because of fears that the agency could be accused of unsanctioned and illegal activity. The newspaper said the White House had approved the tactics.
Navy SEALs apprehended al-Jamadi as a suspect in the Oct. 27, 2003, bombing of Red Cross offices in Baghdad that killed 12 people. His alleged role in the bombing is unclear. According to court documents and testimony, the SEALs punched, kicked and struck al-Jamadi with their rifles before handing him over to the CIA early on Nov. 4. By 7 a.m., al-Jamadi was dead.
Navy prosecutors in San Diego have charged nine SEALs and one sailor with abusing al-Jamadi and others. All but two lieutenants have received nonjudicial punishment; one lieutenant is scheduled for court-martial in March, the other is awaiting a hearing before the Navy's top SEAL.
The statements from five of Abu Ghraib's Army guards were shown to The AP by an attorney for one of the SEALs, who said they offered a more balanced picture of what happened. The lawyer asked not to be identified, saying he feared repercussions for his client.
According to the statements:
Al-Jamadi was brought naked below the waist to the prison with a CIA interrogator and translator. A green plastic bag covered his head, and plastic cuffs tightly bound his wrists. Guards dressed al-Jamadi in an orange jumpsuit, slapped on metal handcuffs and escorted him to the shower room, a common CIA interrogation spot.
There, the interrogator instructed guards to attach shackles from the prisoner's handcuffs to a barred window. That would let al-Jamadi stand without pain, but if he tried to lower himself, his arms would be stretched above and behind him.
The documents do not make clear what happened after guards left. After about a half-hour, the interrogator called for the guards to reposition the prisoner, who was slouching with his arms stretched behind him.
The interrogator told guards that al-Jamadi was "playing possum" ?faking it ?and then watched as guards struggled to get him on his feet. But the guards realized it was useless.
"After we found out he was dead, they were nervous," Spc. Dennis E. Stevanus said of the CIA interrogator and translator. "They didn't know what the hell to do."
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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:23
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Mostly the more you babble nonsense the more we ignore you. We have punished the guilty party because he broke the law. I won't even bother with the rest of your litany of excuses since you've been spanked and sent home crying so many times before.
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shawnmmcc
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We also promoted Gonzales - another brilliant recruiting move for Al Quaeda courtesy of the Bush administration.
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shawnmmcc
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Please correct me if I'm wrong. So far none of the guards at Abu Graib have been convicted of torture, only prisoner abuse. In fact there have been no torture convictions at all. Indications are most of what happened was abuse - but I believe the dog bites on shackled prisioners are over that fine line. Plus only regular troopers have been convicted, nobody yet has explained to me how a group of regular GI's suddenly learned various sophisticated culturally targeted abuse techniques to break a prisoner's will. Yet nobody above a sergeant has been charged I believe.
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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:23
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quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Abu Ghraib seems to have been the Zimbardo experiment gone wild. |
Yes, Abu Ghraib does seem to have been an out of control hell hole without any meaningful supervision.
Shawn: I'm puzzled by the blood out of the mouth as it seems if properly done this "hanging technique" won’t hurt someone if he stands but if he tries to sit then all of his weight will twist his arms up and back. Wouldn't that result in dislocation of the shoulders? The only source of the blood which came out of his mouth (that I can think of) is one of the broken ribs punctured his lung.
Do we know how he got the broken ribs? How was he captured and did he resist arrest (thus causing the SEALs to use force, maybe excessive force)?
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19-02-2005 11:37
) would tend to pull apart and seperate the brokens ends of the ribs if they were cleanly fractured (stretch your arms out behind in that position and feel what it does to your upper ribs). Note the comment about the blood gushing out of the mouth. That coercive position can no longer be considered simple abuse given what the context of the prisoner's injuries. That is the danger of all this hair-splitting and justification over abuse versus torture.
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