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this is geting interesting
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Boy admits telling two stories about Jackson's alleged molestations

SANTA MARIA, Calif. — A boy who claims he twice saw Michael Jackson molesting his brother in the singer's bed admitted Tuesday that he perjured himself in the past and gave conflicting accounts of the alleged molestation.

"I don't want to mix you up. I'm just trying to find out the truth, if I can," lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. told the witness, now 14, after getting the boy to admit to past lies.

Mesereau is trying to prove to jurors in Jackson's molestation and conspiracy trial that the accuser and his siblings were manipulated by their mother in order to set up a civil molestation lawsuit similar to one Jackson reportedly settled with another family for $20 million in 1993.

In fact, the accuser's brother in the current case, who is identified as "James Doe" in court papers, admitted that he and his family had met with Larry Feldman, a lawyer who represented the accuser in the 1993 case.

Going over James' testimony almost line by line, Mesereau tried to poke holes in his claim that Jackson masturbated while fondling "John Doe" twice when he was 13 years old.

James told jurors Monday that he walked up a flight of stairs and was able to see the alleged acts, both times while his brother slept, from behind a banister.

On cross-examination, James testified that on both occasions he heard an "electric bell" go off when he entered a hallway at the bottom of the staircase, which he took to mean that Jackson wanted to be alerted when someone approached his bedroom.

Mesereau expressed incredulity that Jackson would be caught twice molesting a boy in his bedroom when alarms were supposedly sounding.

Mesereau also challenged James on his testimony Monday that a photograph of adult-oriented magazines found in a suitcase in Jackson's home were the same magazines that James claims were shown to him by Michael Jackson during bizarre sleepover parties the singer had with boys at his Neverland Ranch.

Shown the picture again on Tuesday, James confirmed that the photograph in evidence depicted what he saw: a young blond woman exposing her breasts on the cover of a magazine entitled "Barely Legal."

Mesereau noted that the date on the magazine in the photo was August 2003, at least five months after James and his family stopped visiting Neverland Ranch.

"I said he showed us 'Barely Legal.' I didn't say he showed us that exact one," James said.

The bulk of the cross-examination so far has centered on a civil lawsuit the accuser's family filed against JCPenney over alleged abuse they suffered at the hands of store security personnel in a parking lot.

James testified that he did not remember much about the suit, although he acknowledged being represented by a lawyer when he gave a sworn deposition in 2000, the same year he met Jackson.

"I don't remember," James said in response to several questions.

"Did someone tell you to say 'I don't remember' in response to my questions?" Mesereau asked.

"No," James said. "If I don't remember, I don't remember."

James did not remember saying in the deposition that his father never fought with his mother, and that his father never hit him.

"Is that true?" Mesereau asked.

James said it was not.

"Did someone tell you to lie in that deposition?" Mesereau asked.

"I don't remember," James said. "It happened a long time ago."

Perhaps most important for the defense was James' acknowledgement that he told different accounts about the molestation he claims he witnessed when speaking to investigators and a grand jury.

On one occasion, he said his brother was wearing pajamas. Another time, he said he was wearing just his underwear. James also said at one point that Jackson had his hand in his brother's underwear; another time, he said he was touching the boy on the outside of his underwear.

Testimony is set to resume Wednesday at 11:30 a.m. ET.

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"I don't remember," James said. "It happened a long time ago."


case dismissed!

and sue the mom for something...

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Oh my f4$$ing god, It's Monica Lewinsky!

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I'd rather wait for the jury on this one... not apolytoner speculators.

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Lay off the ad hominems.



Can I put that in my sig?

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Oh my f4$$ing god, It's Monica Lewinsky!




Well it looks like this case is going to fall flat on it's face...

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Looks as though the case might fall short to kids admited to lying the mother already a known liarAnd I agree with somebody else in here I wish mj would just go away too. And I yes I was one of those people that think oj didnt commmit those murders. But before I get shot at hear me out I didnt say he couldnt have ordered them by a pro but I dont think he did them himself.

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*Diss puts flaming gun away*

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*Diss puts flaming gun away*

I worked a ten hour shift today im to tired to duck and run

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Looks as though the case might fall short to kids admited to lying the mother already a known liarAnd I agree with somebody else in here I wish mj would just go away too. And I yes I was one of those people that think oj didnt commmit those murders. But before I get shot at hear me out I didnt say he couldnt have ordered them by a pro but I dont think he did them himself.


Because you say that about OJ I must truly laugh at you..

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yeah I agree with Giancarlo...

HIS DNA WAS AT THE SCENE, Mrs Tubes...

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you can laugh if you want. It just happens to be my opinion. On a different but same topic I did think scott peterson was gulity

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yeah I agree with Giancarlo...

HIS DNA WAS AT THE SCENE, Mrs Tubes...

His DNA aka blood was also found to have the perservative that is stored in the blood collection viles. There wasnt one clean strain of his dna found.

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Looks to me like Michael Jackson will get off but I hope child protection authorities will be able to put some heavy restrictions around his contact with kids - like not being allowed to let children, other than his own, sleep in his bed.

If he is a paedophile he falls into the most dangerous category - those who truly believe they are not harming kids.

If the Michael Jackson freak show never happened and you made a movie with the storyline of his life, noone would believe you. I just find him so bizarre and frightening. I think he's mentally ill, particularly the way he's basically disfigured himself with cosmetic surgery. The turning white part is just chilling.

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I dont think they can put any ristrictions on him if he is found not guilty. But it would be nice, and if the freak is smart he keeps his self out of that situation

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His DNA aka blood was also found to have the perservative that is stored in the blood collection viles. There wasnt one clean strain of his dna found.
link?

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I dont think they can put any ristrictions on him if he is found not guilty. But it would be nice, and if the freak is smart he keeps his self out of that situation


Well like the classic case of a pedophile he will continue raping young kids... don't doubt there would be more of these cases reported if he does get off.

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if the freak is smart he keeps his self out of that situation


The thing is I don't think he is - in the Martin Bashir interview he vehemently defended the behaviour with kids that has got him into so much trouble.

I don't know what kind of parent would leave their children in the care of Jackson. Seems to be mainly gold diggers.

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I dont have a current link of this trial but I did watch most of it since i was not working and pregnant at the time. The piece of evidence was heard during trial.

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Looks to me like Michael Jackson will get off but I hope child protection authorities will be able to put some heavy restrictions around his contact with kids - like not being allowed to let children, other than his own, sleep in his bed.

If he is a paedophile he falls into the most dangerous category - those who truly believe they are not harming kids.

If the Michael Jackson freak show never happened and you made a movie with the storyline of his life, noone would believe you. I just find him so bizarre and frightening. I think he's mentally ill, particularly the way he's basically disfigured himself with cosmetic surgery. The turning white part is just chilling.


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Well like the classic case of a pedophile he will continue raping young kids... don't doubt there would be more of these cases reported if he does get off.


except the part he's not actually a peadophile.

Is it that unrealstic to think that a man would love children?

and don't get me the sleeping in beds part. My mom's neighbor sleeps in the same bed as her 13 year old daughter.

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except the part he's not actually a peadophile.

Is it that unrealstic to think that a man would love children?

and don't get me the sleeping in beds part. My mom's neighbor sleeps in the same bed as her 13 year old daughter.


Actually he is a pedophile.. a man would love children? Hey I have nothing wrong with that.. just don't mess with children sexually and emotionally like what Jackson has done.

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I think your mising the part that he hasnt been found guilty of doing anything to any child accept allowing them to sleep in his bed while he was sleeping on the floor. My 8 yo son comes into my bed with scott and me when he gets scared he doesnt stay there very long since he kicks when he sleeps. However that dosnt make me or tubes (i should say) molesters.

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I think your mising the part that he hasnt been found guilty of doing anything to any child accept allowing them to sleep in his bed while he was sleeping on the floor. My 8 yo son comes into my bed with scott and me when he gets scared he doesnt stay there very long since he kicks when he sleeps. However that dosnt make me or tubes (i should say) molesters.


Well the difference is that was your son, these kids were not his children.

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The main reason I doubt this boy is because I saw a tv special with him and MJ before he was accused of this The boy didnt act afraid to be near him nor did he seem to mind horsing around with him. Both boys were in this video. I have first hand experience on how kids act when they are abused and are around their abusers. They do not act comfortable at all.

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The main reason I doubt this boy is because I saw a tv special with him and MJ before he was accused of this The boy didnt act afraid to be near him nor did he seem to mind horsing around with him. Both boys were in this video. I have first hand experience on how kids act when they are abused and are around their abusers. They do not act comfortable at all.


Do all abused children act in a universal manner?

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Yes they do, as a mater of fact especially toward the abuser. They shy away from the indvidual and will not accept being around the person who hurt them if at all possible. This boy had a very relaxed laughing time with mj Sexually abused children will do everything the can too not be left alone with the abuser.

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Just to add They set a pattern for them selves and avoid straying from that pattern at all times. They usually become very withdrawn and become loners, for fear of being stared at as somebody who has done something wrong. Some have even become violent and act out to get people to not pay any attention to them.
Most dont want to share any info with anyone until something seriuos and traumatic happens. When asked about their experiences they are very standofisn and dont generalize the whole experience with out first enduring some type of psychological therapy.

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Yes they do, as a mater of fact especially toward the abuser. They shy away from the indvidual and will not accept being around the person who hurt them if at all possible. This boy had a very relaxed laughing time with mj Sexually abused children will do everything the can too not be left alone with the abuser.
maybe the boy enjoyed it

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maybe the boy enjoyed it


if he enjoyed it, it isn't abuse

 
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