01-03-2005 02:45									#31
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Rocks perfomance left me wanting.
While almost good enough at being irreverent, it was still a sanatized Rock. I realize that there were set limits, (which he probably pushed) it just sounded like rock-lite. Rock-like, isn't good enough.

	01-03-2005 03:17									#32
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If they wanted a performer that mocks the self import of the industry and would be a decent draw, why didn't they go with Jon Stewart?

	01-03-2005 03:22									#33
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He lacks the start power of Chris Rock.

I thought he did OK, but yopu know what? They could have used Conan as well....Did he do the Oscars before, or was that the Emmy's?

	01-03-2005 03:46									#34
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quote: Originally posted by rah Rocks perfomance left me wanting. While almost good enough at being irreverent, it was still a sanatized Rock. I realize that there were set limits, (which he probably pushed) it just sounded like rock-lite. Rock-like, isn't good enough.

he used to be on SNL, he was lite back then as well.

	01-03-2005 03:47									#35
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quote: Originally posted by GePap He lacks the start power of Chris Rock. I thought he did OK, but yopu know what? They could have used Conan as well....Did he do the Oscars before, or was that the Emmy's?

Emmy's.

Jon Stewart might be pretty good. Though I'm not sure is stand up monologues are his thing. And it'd be good if they had the whole daily show group and did some skits and stuff they do on the show.

	01-03-2005 04:17									#36
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Jon Stewart would be good, but I don't know if he'd stoop to that level. And I don't know if he can work without a net. (No way would Oscar allow importation of the whole Daily Show retinue.)

The Oscars demand someone sophisticated, hip, in-the-know, and, most important, able to ad lib and think on his/her feet. Those people are rare.

Johnny Carson always gave a perfect blend of irreverence and charm. His act has never been topped, likely won't be. Billy Crystal was OK, but always seemed a bit needy up there.

Chris Rock might grow into it if given a chance. I doubt that will be forthcoming, however.

	01-03-2005 05:24									#37
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Some Pole got an Oscar for music for some film, "Dreamer" of whatever. All that I know in this matter.

	01-03-2005 05:53									#38
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Jon Stewart would be good, but I don't know if he'd stoop to that level. And I don't know if he can work without a net. (No way would Oscar allow importation of the whole Daily Show retinue.)

He started out as a stand-up comic. And all you need is a good routine, an ability to ad-lib a bit, and well-rounded telepromter reading skills to host the Oscars.

	01-03-2005 05:58									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Some Pole got an Oscar for music for some film, "Dreamer" of whatever. All that I know in this matter.

You mean Jan Kaczmarek for "Finding Neverland", the story about Peter Pan author J.M. Barry starring Johnny Depp and Kate Winslet, right?

	01-03-2005 07:59									#40
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Surprise, the Oscar numbers were way off this year when the Red States were counted. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...s_tv_ratings_2. Looks like the Academy might do well in the future to nominate the more popular films that American actually likes for "best picture" than to openly discriminate against them if they are "fantasy," "scifi" or "religious." This could well describe Spiderman II, Spotless Mind and the Passion.

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	01-03-2005 08:05									#41
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Spider-Man II? Passion of the Christ?

Lord I hope not. They have the People's Choice Awards (which has a far lower audience) for that.

Neither got discriminated against because they were scifi or religious. Spider-Man II just isn't BEST PICTURE material. Passion...well...MAYBE had a small chance, but it wasn't generally a good movie. The only good parts about it, guess what, DID get nominated.

I would rather they continue to nominate artistically worthy films then live by the standards of pop culture. Let those movies make hundreds of millions, and let these get the awards.

And the show was only off two million. That means that without an LOTR, they lost only 6% of the audience. Or, you could look at it as 41 million tuned in to see movies nominated for best picture that grossed less than $100 million. Either way, I'm not fearful of any of that, and neither should the Academy be.

	01-03-2005 08:06									#42
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Ned, the reason for that is that red-staters are ignorant religious hicks.

There are channels like Spike for them. They should leave the real people's TV alone.

	01-03-2005 08:07									#43
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Hey, I'm watching Spike TV right now *******

WWE is on!

	01-03-2005 08:17									#44
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Spider-Man II? Passion of the Christ? Lord I hope not. They have the People's Choice Awards (which has a far lower audience) for that. Neither got discriminated against because they were scifi or religious. Spider-Man II just isn't BEST PICTURE material. Passion...well...MAYBE had a small chance, but it wasn't generally a good movie. The only good parts about it, guess what, DID get nominated. I would rather they continue to nominate artistically worthy films then live by the standards of pop culture. Let those movies make hundreds of millions, and let these get the awards. And the show was only off two million. That means that without an LOTR, they lost only 6% of the audience. Or, you could look at it as 41 million tuned in to see movies nominated for best picture that grossed less than $100 million. Either way, I'm not fearful of any of that, and neither should the Academy be.

Perhaps we ought to merely cut off consideration of the potential list for films that can be nominated to those among the top 10% of box office receipts at the time the ballots go out at the end of January. All films in that top 10% are automatically nominated.

I really believe the academy has it in for certain film types. Last year was a shock in that Return of the King won everything because it was considered to be a fantasy film. This year, I was totally impressed by Spiderman II, another fantasy film. It was a trememdous film. Spotless Mind, science fiction, was beautiful, well acted and truly inovative. Passion was powerful beyond all measure. No film ever was as moving as this one.

They all should have received nominations.

	01-03-2005 08:27									#45
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To be honest, I think the foreign films kick your butt this year.

	01-03-2005 09:24									#46
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@ EmpFab.

	01-03-2005 10:58									#47
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quote: They all should have received nominations.

No, they really shouldn't. TEF is right. They are NOT Best Picture material. These aren't the People's Choice Awards, these reward filmmaking, not what is the flavor of the month.

quote: And Sean Penn was such a loser, at least Tim Robbins and Jeremy Irons could take a joke.

Sean Penn is also working on a movie with Jude Law at the present. It may have been awkward if Law percieved Penn as not getting his back.

And Robbins did NOT take the joke well. He gave Rock the middle finger when the cameras were off and said some not so nice things about him.

	01-03-2005 11:13									#48
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Rock

If you piss off Sean Penn and Tim Robbins, you're doing the right thing...

	01-03-2005 11:15									#49
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You forgot someone else Drake... he also pissed off Bill O'Reilly today because of his anti-Bush stuff . He hit the trifecta!

	01-03-2005 11:17									#50
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That is amazing. Rock gets the other thumb...

	01-03-2005 11:17									#51
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous You mean Jan Kaczmarek for "Finding Neverland", the story about Peter Pan author J.M. Barry starring Johnny Depp and Kate Winslet, right?

I guess so. The title was translated as "dreamer" into Polish.

	01-03-2005 11:28									#52
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Neither got discriminated against because they were scifi or religious. Spider-Man II just isn't BEST PICTURE material.

Uh... why? It's an awesome movie. It has a point. If we want to be high-minded elitists and not care about quality of action scenes or cinematagrophy or anything, Spiderman II was still a darn good story. You'll have to go into more detail to defend this.

Spiderman II & Eternal Sunshine should have been nominated for Best Picture. Bah.

	01-03-2005 11:36									#53
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I expect nonsense from Ned, but you Snowfire? Spiderman II for Best Picture? You're kidding me.

Good action flick, but not evidence of good filmmaking, from the acting, directing, etc. Hell, it wasn't even nominated for a Golden Globe Best Picture!

Eternal Sunshine, OTOH, I think had an argument, but it's hard to knock any of the nominated pictures off. I've heard great things about all the nominated pictures, and The Aviator had the Scorcese name behind it as well.

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Spiderman II best movie??


What's next, Titanic maybe???!!

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Ned: Top 10%? Interesting idea. Out of the (http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/index2004.html)556 movies nominated this year, that makes 56 (rounding up, of course, to be generous).

Lets look at the top 10% for 2004, shall we?

LEGEND:
Bold indicates those that were nominated
Underline indicates those that possibly could've been nominated
Italics indicates those that a nomination would be a shot in the dark
* indicates particular favorites for Ned's idea
*** indicates WHAT ****ING EVER


Shrek 2
Spider-Man 2
Passion of the Christ
Meet the Fockers
The Incredibles
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
*The Day After Tomorrow
The Bourne Supremecy
*National Treasure
The Polar Express
Shark Tale
I, Robot
*Troy
Ocean's Twelve
50 First Dates
*Van Helsing
Fahrenheit 9/11
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events
*Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story
The Village
The Grudge
Collateral
*The Princess Diaries 2: Royal Engagement
The Aviator
Starsky and Hutch
*Along Came Polly
Mean Girls
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy
*The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie
*Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
The Notebook
*Alien vs. Predator
Man on Fire
The Terminal
*Garfield: The Movie
Ray
Ladder 49
***Christmas with the Kranks
***White Chicks
Hidalgo
The Forgotten
Kill Bill Vol. 2
The Manchurian Candidate
***Barbershop 2: Back in Business
Million Dollar Baby
Miracle
Sideways
Friday Night Lights
*Hellboy
The Stepford Wives
*Dawn of the Dead
***Without a Paddle
The Butterfly Effect
Shall We Dance
***The Chronicles of Riddick
13 Going on 30

So, to wrap up:

4 of the 5 nominees for BEST PICTURE fall into Ned's category of top 10% grossing. The only one that falls out is Finding Neverland (65 on the year - of course, since it starred two leads and had a screenplay all nominated for Oscars, plus won the score and had at least another nod, it should get cut some slack).

So Ned...first, the qualifications for the Nedscars include almost all Best Pictures nominees, plus "White Chicks", "Without a Paddle", and "Barbershop 2".

That's great logic for the Best Picture...in the Nedaverse!

EDIT: Oh, and to point out, with Ned's qualifications, Eternal Sunshine STILL does NOT get nominated.

PWNED!

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	01-03-2005 13:05									#56
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How come man on fire is never mentioned? Is that movie that old already?
One the best films I saw last year.

	01-03-2005 13:07									#57
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quote: Originally posted by SnowFire You'll have to go into more detail to defend this.

Here's the defense: Spider-Man II, while a GREAT movie, is not Academy Award material. First, the plot, while great for a comic book adaptation, is not of the quality that many Best Pictures are. I could go into it further, but I'll just say: "I'm Spider-Man...no, I'm not...oh wait, I am", is not a very good storyline for anything but a comic book sequel. Next, the acting was good, but at times melodramatic. Also, the ending was contrived. My big question: Doc Ock suddenly changes and sees good: WHY?! The ending was one of the most "Deus ex Machina" that I've seen.

It was one of my favorite movies this year. It did win Special FX, which it deserved. Artistically, however, (and that's what Academy Awards are given for: art, not entertainment), it doesn't hold a candle to those nominated.

	01-03-2005 13:10									#58
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hey don't spoil spiderman 2, I haven't seen it yet. . One of these days I'll get around to watching 2004 movies.

	01-03-2005 13:38									#59
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom And at last the acting ability of Cate Blanchett gets recognised- a rather late consolation prize for the Academy's overlooking of her performance in 'Elizabeth'.

Cate could have honestly been nominated for a half dozen roles at least. She's probably the best actress going these days. In fact I wouldn't even say that this role was one of her best, but she won anyway.

	01-03-2005 13:40									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident What's more important? A unknown actor, or an activist who can fight against a corrupt goverment (I'm exaggerrating Moore's importance, but you get the picture).

To put it another way, what's more important, an actor or a fat guy?

Tough call.