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America By the Numbers Got spare money?

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America No. 1?
America by the numbers
by Michael Ventura

02/03/05 "ICH" - - No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well...this is the country you really live in:
• The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).
• The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
• Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
• "The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).
• Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!
• "The European Union leads the U.S. in ... the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).
• "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).
• Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).
• Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.
• The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.
• "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.
• Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)
• "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.
• Twelve million American families—more than 10 percent of all U.S. households—"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).
• The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
• Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
• The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).
• "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.
• "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).
• "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies ... are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).
• The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).
• U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).
• Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million—one in five—unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).
• Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.
• Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
• As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
• Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.
• One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).
• "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).
• "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).
• Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).
• "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).
• "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.
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• Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).
• Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.


Possibly the most underrated problem in the American economy, IMO. Our student visa policies are simply idiotic.

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• Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).
• Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.


Possibly the most underrated problem in the American economy, IMO. Our student visa policies are simply idiotic.


Absolutely, and this is the true future downfall of the U.S. happening right before our eyes. The failure of our country to remain at the forefront of science will hamstring us.

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If the European Union were a state in the USA it would belong to the poorest group of states. France, Italy, Great Britain and Germany have lower GDP per capita than all but four of the states in the United States. In fact, GDP per capita is lower in the vast majority of the EU-countries (EU 15) than in most of the individual American states. This puts Europeans at a level of prosperity on par with states such as Arkansas, Mississippi and West Virginia. Only the miniscule country of Luxembourg has higher per capita GDP than the average state in the USA. The results of the new study represent a grave critique of European economic policy.

Stark differences become apparent when comparing official economic statistics. Europe lags behind the USA when comparing GDP per capita and GDP growth rates. The current economic debate among EU leaders lacks an understanding of the gravity of the situation in many European countries. Structural reforms of the European economy as well as far reaching welfare reforms are well overdue. The Lisbon process lacks true impetus, nor is it sufficient to improve the economic prospects of the EU.

EU versus USA is written by Dr Fredrik Bergström, President of the Swedish Research Institute of Trade, and Mr Robert Gidehag, until recently Chief Economist of the same institute and now President of the Swedish Taxpayer's Association.

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The very fact that he starts off calling the US an Empire showsthis guy can't be trusted to evaluate things objectively. I'm calling BS on these ones:

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Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).


In 28 years I have yet to meet one of them. Something tells me this is BS.

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The European Union leads the U.S. in ... the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).


The EU also has almost 150 million more people so it makes sense they have more graduates.

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If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.


Turn out in the Iraqi election was right around 60% so 40% didn't show up. This guy needs to start checking his facts.

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"Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined"


That just says how crappy the movies are. BTW we spend more on video games then movies as well.

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"Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).


We both know this is a useless number. What we need is the abuse rate as a percentage of children then we need to compare the rate to other countries. Other wise we're just complaining for the sack of complaining.

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That's funny.
http://opendoors.iienetwork.org/?p=54097

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That's funny.
http://opendoors.iienetwork.org/?p=54097


The reason there are fewer foreign students attending US universities is because since 9/11 the government has made it much more difficult for foreigners to get visas. The news is full of stories about foreigners who have been accepted at American universities but who can't get visas to enter the country.

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chegitz guevara,
If I research the rest of your tripe will I just contradict these assertions point by point?

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chegitz guevara,
If I research the rest of your tripe will I just contradict these assertions point by point?


But you've yet to contradict any of them. The GDP issue wasn't mentioned as part of the original post.

Oerdin, I've met several people who believed the earth orbited the sun in one day. It's quite astonishing, but certainly an example of the abysmal education many people here receive. I suspect the numbers in The Week (hardly a journal of ill-repute) are based on surveys. So your anecdotal failure to encounter such people doesn't say much in that light.

I'd also urge you to read the article cia posted a link to--I'm not sure why he posted it as if it were contradicting anything in the first post. It points out there are many other reasons for the decline of foreign students--it can't all be laid on visa stinginess. Europe and Asia are doing a good job ouf outcompeting U.S. schools for students based on their programs.

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If the European Union were a state in the USA it would belong to the poorest group of states.


It's not like there were two massive wars in Europe in the past century, or anything like that...

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I live in the Bible belt and I haven't met the people you refer to.

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How often does that specifically come up in your conversations? I can't recall a time that I've ever discussed that outside of school.

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NYT is not a credible news organization.

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The reason there are fewer foreign students attending US universities is because since 9/11 the government has made it much more difficult for foreigners to get visas. The news is full of stories about foreigners who have been accepted at American universities but who can't get visas to enter the country.


Contributing factor, but not entirely the case.

Many foreign students are avoiding the US as a choice for school due to recently-born fear of discrimination, and there is the longer-term trend of the rest of the world catching up to the US in terms of graduate schools (most dramatically in China).

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So excuses are in the making already Ramo?
The EU is trying to play with the big boys which means competing with all countries, including China and the US. Those vaunted social programs cost an arm and a leg and merely train those Europeans who I have met who come to the US for the monetary opportunities not possible within the EU.

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Once again, I must point out the utter uselessness and crapitude of arguments along the line of "well, I personally haven't encountered it, so it must be false."

I personally have never seen a Hare Krishna. They must therefore not exist.

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I know that I wouldn't be here if I was of Arab origin. I don't want to spend my time shitting my pants worried about whether or not I'm going to be shipped off to Syria on a whim.

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If the European Union were a state in the USA it would belong to the poorest group of states.


It's not like there were two massive wars in Europe in the past century, or anything like that...


Not to mention that several of the member states of the EU were mired down as communist backwaters for decades.

Oops, sorry che...

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So excuses are in the making already Ramo?
The EU is trying to play with the big boys which means competing with all countries, including China and the US. Those vaunted social programs cost an arm and a leg and merely train those Europeans who I have met who come to the US for the monetary opportunities not possible within the EU.


Exhibit A for problems in our education system.

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Well I don't normally put much stock in blogs (especially ones that quote surveys!) that don't link to more than half of the stats they refer to anyway. Foible of mine. So, I'll have to join Oerdin in calling BS on that point.

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The blog copied it from an article in a weekly (from Austin, oddly enough). Putting hyperlinks on paper doesn't quite work.

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Ramo, I'm tired but I'll bite. Pick your stats source choice and I'll play. GAO, EU, WTO, etc. I graduated as a BSEE and I'll ply my training against you anytime without the ad hominem attacks. Show me your basis for your opinon an I'll show you a contrarian one.

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Talk is cheap and so are smilies. Might want to try this next time Ramo

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Once again, I must point out the utter uselessness and crapitude of arguments along the line of "well, I personally haven't encountered it, so it must be false."

I personally have never seen a Hare Krishna. They must therefore not exist.


By your logic I could claim 25% of Americans believe bananas are space aliens yet it must be true. That's about as likely as the bogus claim that 25% of Americans believe the sun rotates around the Earth. Especially given that I've already pointed out several factual errors and/or obvious omitions with this op-ed piece. The guys screwed up several facts and this one smells fishy too.

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Ramo, I'm tired but I'll bite.
Ramo is too busy being a sell out anarchist working for the Man and accepting the benefits of an oppressive system.

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I don't really care. When only one source is easily checked, warning bells go off for me that someone is either lieing or grossly missrepresenting their facts.

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and I'm serious about the New York Times btw. I'm not kidding for once.

Take a look. The CNN stats are believable, the NYT ones aren't.

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Talk is cheap and so are smilies.


But incoherent rants are priceless.

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I don't really care. When only one source is easily checked, warning bells go off for me that someone is either lieing or grossly missrepresenting their facts.


Riiiight. A free weekly should have an extensive bibliography, including hyperlinks for every minor point, regarding every single article. That makes perfect sense.

 
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