09-03-2005 11:50									#1
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Just placed my order for a 40gb Creative Zen Touch mp3 player. Should arrive by Friday.

It had best not fail me.

	09-03-2005 12:01									#2
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It is better then wasting your money on an Ipod... good buy

	09-03-2005 12:03									#3
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How much?

	09-03-2005 12:04									#4
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I actually care about sound quality and the value of my money, so of course an Ipod was out of the question.

Why pay more for a device that is sonically inferior, supports fewer formats, as fewer availably online resources and has substantially less battery life? Only a moron would do so.

	09-03-2005 12:04									#5
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Excellent, I should be receiving my commission shortly.

	09-03-2005 12:04									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin How much?

Total with shipping $285. No sales tax since I'm in Oregon.

	09-03-2005 12:05									#7
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While you wait for it, you should experiment with compression.

Compare max-bitrate WMA with WMA-lossless with MP3, see which you prefer and find most functional.

	09-03-2005 12:05									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Excellent, I should be receiving my commission shortly.

That would only be if I bought a Microsoft product, because we all know you're Bill Gates's paid shill.

	09-03-2005 12:06									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov That would only be if I bought a Microsoft product, because we all know you're Bill Gates's paid shill.

Creative and MS have a solid business relationship, so I'm golden.

	09-03-2005 12:07									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Asher While you wait for it, you should experiment with compression. Compare max-bitrate WMA with WMA-lossless with MP3, see which you prefer and find most functional.

Well, MP3 is already going to be out (for when I have a choice), as I can hear the cheating in that format. So it will be one of the WMA formats for the music I'm ripping myself.

	09-03-2005 12:08									#11
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*Looks over at 2 full CD towers and several shelves lined with CDs*

Hmmm, going to be indoors a lot this weekend, it seems.

	09-03-2005 12:09									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I actually care about sound quality and the value of my money, so of course an Ipod was out of the question. Why pay more for a device that is sonically inferior, supports fewer formats, as fewer availably online resources and has substantially less battery life? Only a moron would do so.

Well you gotta think about one of those pack-rat types who likes to waste money on junk.. the ipod sucks big time. My friend had one (which his mom bought him and he never quite forgave her for that cause he wanted a creative).. he dropped it from his bed and it broke to pieces... and that was onto carpet.

	09-03-2005 12:12									#13
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The ideal solution for you, from what I remember talking to you on MSN long ago, would probably be WMA @ 320 Kbps.

WMP10 will only rip to 192Kbps WMA by default, so you should look into...other means.

This should work...

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc.htm

	09-03-2005 12:12									#14
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Fez: He must have sat his fat ass on it as well or something, because I've dropped my iPod from standing height onto concrete and it continued to work perfectly.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Fez: He must have sat his fat ass on it as well or something, because I've dropped my iPod from standing height onto concrete and it continued to work perfectly.

The guy is 5'7" and weighs 120..

Wait you have an ipod? Who talked you into that one? I pity you.. man.. that must suck. Why did you waste your money on such a crappy product? I thought you were a pretty smart guy and all..

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Fez: He must have sat his fat ass on it as well or something, because I've dropped my iPod from standing height onto concrete and it continued to work perfectly.

People like you should be banned from using portable electronics.

The 4G iPods use the same HD supplier as the Zens have always used -- Seagate builds durable drives.

	09-03-2005 12:16									#17
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I talked myself into that one . I love my iPod. Great interface and design with great sound quality, AND I got it for only a small amount more than the 20 GB Zen Touches were selling for at the time (about $270).

Btw, I see you didn't acknowledge that I proved you were full of ****... like usual.

	09-03-2005 12:17									#18
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The Ipod has neither great interace nor does it have great sound quality. How the hell can you support the fact that the ipod has great sound quality? It sucks compared to the Creative..

I'm full of ****? ****.. his ipod was in pieces and he sent me a photo of it too...

	09-03-2005 12:17									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo The Ipod has neither great interace nor does it have great sound quality. How the hell can you support the fact that the ipod has great sound quality? It sucks compared to the Creative.. I'm full of ****? ****.. his ipod was in pieces and he sent me a photo of it too...

Please make it stop...

	09-03-2005 12:18									#20
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I'm still waiting for a 20 GB flash player.

	09-03-2005 12:19									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I'm still waiting for a 20 GB flash player.

Flash will be outdated by the time those capacities become reasonable.

	09-03-2005 12:20									#22
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Apparently the Zen Micro 4GB is now all of $179...

	09-03-2005 12:20									#23
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Ipods do not have "great" sound quality. Adequate, perhaps. I borrowed my roommate's Ipod for a time, and the difference between that and my CD player was very, very noticeable (I even used the same headphones).

Creative's players are consistently rated among the the highest for sound quality. No audible difference between it and premium CD players, according to several reviews I've read.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Apparently the Zen Micro 4GB is now all of $179...

That's really sweet.. in my price range..

But I still love my old portable CD player...

	09-03-2005 12:22									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Please make it stop...

I thought you enjoyed Fez baiting .

Hey, Fez, the signal to noise ratio isn't a wide gulf here. I bet you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference (I know I can't, and I've listened to both). I'm willing to accept the Zen Touch has a better SNR, but I have no idea just by listening to it. Maybe it's easier to tell with classical, I dunno.

And the interface is great. Simple, elegant, clear. What else do you need in an interface?

	09-03-2005 12:23									#26
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Creative makes some fine products. My problem is I like the reliability and small size of the flash players but I want the capacity of the hard-disk players.

	09-03-2005 12:23									#27
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quote: Creative's players are consistently rated among the the highest for sound quality. No audible difference between it and premium CD players, according to several reviews I've read.

IIRC, Asher stated that Zen Touch's have a 96 SnR while the iPod have a 92 SnR (right, Asher?). That's not a whole Hell of lot there.

	09-03-2005 12:23									#28
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I like my Sony Clie that has a MP3 player built in.. that's adequate for me. I wouldn't rather wasting my money on an Ipod, like you did Imran. But hey to each his own....

	09-03-2005 12:24									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Please make it stop...

I would ask for those pics, but I fear he saves those pics in the same folder with his nudie shots.

	09-03-2005 12:24									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I thought you enjoyed Fez baiting . Hey, Fez, the signal to noise ratio isn't a wide gulf here.

92dB to 98dB is huge on a logarithmic scale (to be clear for the arts students 100 is twice as clear (half the noise per signal) than 90 is)). It's not just that measurement, it's every other one I can think of...THD, stereo crosstalk, etc.

Creative uses a chip made by Yamaha, and Apple uses one from a company called "PortalPlayer". Is it any wonder that one of those companies can design higher quality audio components?