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At least we're a great club having a bad time rather than a mediocre club being mediocre.


OK Aggie, last time Newcastle won anything compared to the last time Spurs won anything...

Surely a sign of greatness...

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But then again, Spurs fans can't gloat. At least we're a great club having a bad time rather than a mediocre club being mediocre.


Are you using "time" in the geological sense?

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Spurs aren't even the second club in London. I guess they're London's equivalent of Sunderland.

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Spurs aren't even the second club in London. I guess they're London's equivalent of Sunderland.

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Which shows you how crap Newcastle are then...

Spurs Vs Newcastle

Last team to win FA Cup - Spurs
Last team to win League Cup - Spurs
Last team to get promoted to the top division - Newcastle!

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Position in League

Spurs - 7th
Newcastle - 14th

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This season:

Spurs 1 - 0 Newcastle
Newcastle 0 - 1 Spurs

*back o' the net*

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We should rename this thread:

Newcastle vs. Spurs: Aggie gets PWNED up the ASS!

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I forgot one!

Last team to win UEFA Cup - Spurs

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At least we're a great club having a bad time rather than a mediocre club being mediocre.


I suppose that would depend on your definition of a great club. Newcastle have a lot of fans, but have not been a sustained force for 70 years. Tottenham have quite a lot of fans, and have not been a regular trophy winner for 25 years.

Doesnt sound too great to me.

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They are both sh1t. Who cares which one's less sh1t?

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They are both sh1t. Who cares which one's less sh1t?


Only us poor fools lumbered with supporting them for life. Curses on my uncle who got me into being a Spurs fan. Although it could have been worse - we used to live near Crystal Palace's ground.

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I was just being insulting for the sake of it.

Spurs are on the up at least. I really like Martin Jol and he's made a good start this season, that new defender you bought looks good. At least being in London is attractive for players to come...

Newcastle are in free fall. They need to change a lot of players in the summer.

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They are both sh1t. Who cares which one's less sh1t?


Yeah, Chelsea became a money laundering team

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Abramovich looked at Spurs when he was picking a club, bet the Spurs fans are glad he didn't choose them...

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Changing topic, what are your opinions on what has made the most difference at Chelsea - the money or the manager. Clearly both help, and Mourinho has not been responsible for most of the signings, and there are several players that would not be at Chelsea but for the money.

But would Lampard, Duff and the defence have been as good elsewhere as Mourinho has made them?

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The manager costs money too, so, money. Whether Mourinho couldve had the same, or similar success with the players Chelsea had before the money, impossible.

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"But would Lampard, Duff and the defence have been as good elsewhere as Mourinho has made them?"

Probably not.

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Don't forget that Mourinho won the UEFA Cup and the Champions league with Porto on a fraction of the budget, it might have taken him longer than a season to get to the level he did with Chelsea but I don't see any reason he couldn't have done a fantastic job.

Before this season even started Ferguson said "money doesn't win titles" (conveniently forgetting he'd been manager of the richest and coincidentally most successful club for years....) and Mourinho's excellent response was "I know that's why Porto knocked out Manchester United last year on 1/10th of the budget." 1-0 to Mourinho and it's been the same all season.

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The last 15 years at Newcastle are a good example of how it's possible to have a rich chairman pouring cash into a club, and still not win anything.

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The last 15 years at Newcastle are a good example of how it's possible to have a rich chairman pouring cash into a club, and still not win anything.


That's where you're wrong. The team had money pumped in by John Hall in the mid 90s, but since then the Shepherd and Hall families have basically looted the club. Still, they were better than the old Seymour/McKeagist regime. Newcastle's league, cup and European runs over the last 7 or 8 years have brought them a great deal of cash, less than Liverpool during the same time, but not far off. During that time Liverpool have spent over twice what Newcastle have on players IIRC.

If Newcastle actually spent the money they earn on players instead of the Shepherds and Halls paying themselves off and doing dodgy deals, we'd be in the position we were in in 94-6.

That's why there is increasing pressure from supporters to oust the Shepherds and Halls and force them to sell up. It should be an interesting couple of years.

Spurs are OK, but they'll never have the fan base to sustain continued good performance. The money just isn't there, even with good ownership.

And Chelsea would not be in the position they are in if they did not have the two best players in England: Frank Lampard and John Terry. Despite all the talk about foreign players, those two are the core of the team and Lampard is player of the year in my book.

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The team had money pumped in by John Hall in the mid 90s


....and what did they win? QED.

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....and what did they win? QED.


Aggie and logic don't get on - hence his gloating thread...

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Spurs are OK, but they'll never have the fan base to sustain continued good performance. The money just isn't there, even with good ownership.



In the Deloitte Money league, a recognised report on the income of football teams across the world, Newcastle were 11th for 03/04. They were down 2 places, with income of £90.5m, approx 137 million Euro, down from £96.7m the year before.

This was despite a Champions League / UEFA cup semi-final run.

For the same year, Tottenham were the highest place team in Europe that did not have any European matches, in 14th place with £66m, practically unchanged on the year before.

The difference in the incomes was matchday (14m) and broadcasting (£9m). Commercial incomes were even. Next year, as Newcastle will have a hole in their match incomes with no European fixtures (say 5 home games at 50k attendance at £30 a ticket = £7.5m) plus less broadcasting and less spin-offs.

So there may not be that much of a gap after all. If Spurs get a UEFA cup place and win a round or two, positions would be reversed despite Newcastle's bigger crowds

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Time we bumped this thread...

Newcastle: Played 3, scored 0 and 1 point from 9

And that single point was playing at home against a ten man team that had just got promoted from last year...

But hey, I'm on crack - of course Souness is a brilliant manager!

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Im sure itll all turn around when Owen (realises no one else wants him and) signs for them.

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Spurs have spent insane amounts of money turning good players into very ordinary ones. Only Middlesbro' can compete in that department.

It's quite appropriate, though, to hear Spurs fans gloating at the Magpies 50 year trophy haul ... er, that's it, seeing as they last won the league in Black and White!

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West Ham have got a great history and a lot of tradition.......

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Spurs have spent insane amounts of money turning good players into very ordinary ones. Only Middlesbro' can compete in that department.



Newcastle have spent even larger sums turning good players into players who are still undeniably good, but are seemingly no longer capable of playing the same game as everyone else.

And they sold Solano and kept Bowyer

 
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