18-03-2005 11:01									#121
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Surprising for Newcastle

Id play as well as Chelsea if i were threatened with the gulag.

	18-03-2005 11:06									#122
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And Tottenham are where in European competition this season?

	18-03-2005 21:22									#123
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I bet Sporting oust Newcastle and that Viana bastard scores a hat trick. In which case we should revoke his loan and make him walk through the Bigg Market on a Friday night.

	18-03-2005 21:24									#124
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Naw, if Sporting beat us, we'll make sure Viana doesn't do it to us . Isn't there a provision that loaned players can't play against the squad that loaned them out?

	18-03-2005 21:25									#125
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No idea. Perhaps.

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I assumed that usually that is written in loan deals. Loaned players can't play against the squad that loaned them. It also creates a conflict of interest.

	18-03-2005 21:28									#127
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Not for Viana. He'd want to stuff the toon as badly as possible. Little bastard.

	18-03-2005 21:34									#128
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Im sure it definitely applies, like Crespo at AC Milan if they play Chelsea.

Heres the draw for the CL:

Matchday 9 - Tuesday, 05 April

Liverpool 20:45 Juventus
Lyon 20:45 PSV

Matchday 9 - Wednesday, 06 April

Chelsea 20:45 Bayern
Milan 20:45 Internazionale

At least that takes out one of the Italian teams, I was sure they would draw two English clubs together, since Uefa hates us.

	18-03-2005 21:39									#129
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Can you blame them, you little hooligans?

	18-03-2005 21:41									#130
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It only applies if you specifically write it into the contract. Chelsea always have for Premier League loanings.

	18-03-2005 21:44									#131
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I'm sure Newcastle would as well. What's the point in not writing it in?

	18-03-2005 21:45									#132
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Yeah Uefa would love the Liverpool or Chelsea fans to go on a right bender in the away legs, theyre waiting for the slightest thing to ban us from Europe again, despite Turkish fans killing people, Barcelona throwing coins and bottles every game, and Italian's throwing mopeds from the upper tier, theyd never get banned though. Perhaps they havent noticed we dont need barricades as standard in all our stadiums to keep our fans in check but most of Europe does.

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They want to get a highly paid player off their books and their wages paid by someone else, there's only one taker and that's a deal breaker?

They don't think they'll be playing them because it's a foriegn team?

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH They want to get a highly paid player off their books and their wages paid by someone else, there's only one taker and that's a deal breaker? They don't think they'll be playing them because it's a foriegn team?

Perhaps, but I'm sure they just have form contracts for loans. They just fill out the amount of time and the costs and everything else is the same for every loan. Don't think they draft a new contract every time a loan comes up. Not sure why Sporting would press to remove that provision unless they were sure they'd play the Magpies in Europe.

	18-03-2005 21:50									#135
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Newcastle will play Sporting. Viana will not play. Sporting asked if he couldd, but Fat Fred said no.

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"Don't think they draft a new contract every time a loan comes up."

I'm sure they do. Player loan negotiations are very complicated things, just as complicated as signing a player. Aside from basic things like the salary percentage paid by loan club, you've got any bonuses (goal, win, championship etc.), when/how/why a player can be recalled and possibly at what point in the loan, length of loan, optional extentions, possibly preferential buying options... etc. etc.

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quote: Newcastle will play Sporting. Viana will not play. Sporting asked if he couldd, but Fat Fred said no.

quote: I'm sure they do. Player loan negotiations are very complicated things, just as complicated as signing a player. Aside from basic things like the salary percentage paid by loan club, you've got any bonuses (goal, win, championship etc.), when/how/why a player can be recalled and possibly at what point in the loan, length of loan, optional extentions, possibly preferential buying options... etc. etc.

Yeah, but those are things that can be filed in. The general structure is the same, and I'm positive they have a form they pull out and then fill in the salary %, bonuses, recall procedure, etc.

	18-03-2005 21:56									#138
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Ok well one of the variables is whether the player can play against the parent club then...

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Ok well one of the variables is whether the player can play against the parent club then...

I'm sure most clubs don't make that variable. They don't want to be responsible for their own potential loss in that way.

	18-03-2005 21:57									#140
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Imran gave the thumbs up to Fat Fred. That means he is no longer a Newcastle fan.

Who else wonders whether Abramovitch will be exposed as a major criminal and Chelsea will get screwed? I'd laugh if that happened.

	18-03-2005 22:00									#141
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It wouldn't really screw them.

	18-03-2005 22:05									#142
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Freddy brought in Souness and that's the best move coaching move anyone has made all season (Mourinho doesn't count as this season ).

	18-03-2005 22:09									#143
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Fat Fred is a worthless sack of **** who along with Hall was responsible for Keegan leaving.

	18-03-2005 22:11									#144
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Hee hee. Looks like Taggart is getting desperate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foo...utd/4360389.stm

Someone forgot to tell him that most of those fans are glory hunters and will no doubt switch once Chelsea keep winning.

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I think Martin Jol at Spurs will turn out better in the long run, if he doesn't get lured away in the summer. I don't rate Souness. He's done a decent job of organising that team I agree but he's too old school. And what's he ever won? A few titles with Rangers in Scotland (how hard!) he then totally shagged up Liverpool, got fired after one season at Galatasary because he didn't win the league - although he did raced out onto the Fenerbahce pitch and planted a Galatasary flag when they beat them in the Turkish cup. Didn't do anything at Torino and Benfica.

He kept Southampton up, got an already very strong Blackburn side promoted and into Europe but then totally lost it...

	18-03-2005 22:17									#146
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"Chelsea played Barcelona, but all the attention was on our game with AC Milan."

Which is why ITV put Chelsea on as their main game and relegated ManU to their second digital only channel is it Alex? HA HA HA HA HA!

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Hee hee. Looks like Taggart is getting desperate. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foo...utd/4360389.stm Someone forgot to tell him that most of those fans are glory hunters and will no doubt switch once Chelsea keep winning.

"But Ferguson said: "Chelsea played Barcelona, but all the attention was on our game with AC Milan.""

Maybe all the attention in Asia, but I know which game everyone in Europe was watching.

	18-03-2005 22:25									#148
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Absolutely.

And anyone watching Milan missed one of the best games of the season watching Chelsea Barca.

	18-03-2005 22:26									#149
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ps. When this thread dies we should have a generic soccer thread like the rugby guys do.

	18-03-2005 22:47									#150
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But can we have a generic footie manager game thread too?

Hopefully we can turn this into the generic Newcastle vs. Everyone they have yet to play this season gloating thread.