17-03-2005 10:43									#31
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	17-03-2005 10:48									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Americans on average recieve more schooling then anyone else in the world.

You can't measure schooling in years or hours.

	17-03-2005 10:48									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'm talking about public schools K-12, not universities...

I still don't think public schools in Europe are all that great.

	17-03-2005 10:54									#34
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Mrs Tuberski individually you're correct but as a whole you don't think Europeans can be bad test-takers or have bad days too?

Your right they can have bad days but as a whole the surveys taken are always biased by the time, place, people interviewed, and date taken. This is the only thing i got out of the statastic class I had to take for my degree

	17-03-2005 11:03									#35
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It's materialism. People don't understand what's really important in the world, only that the bigger the tv, the more actualized you are as a person.

	17-03-2005 11:05									#36
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yup

	17-03-2005 11:07									#37
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Are you guys saying that TV has become a babysitter?

	17-03-2005 11:08									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Is our system really that much worse? I think American universities are far better then anything they have in Europe.

*cough*

	17-03-2005 11:09									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Are you guys saying that TV has become a babysitter?

In many cases it has.


Latchkey kids

	17-03-2005 11:09									#40
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Hey I like the TV.. I like the discovery channel and other channels. But I'm not against people getting more exercise.

Story here

"By their calculations — disputed by skeptics as shaky and overly dire — within 50 years obesity likely will shorten the average life span of 77.6 years by at least two to five years. That's more than the impact of cancer or heart disease, said lead author S. Jay Olshansky, a longevity researcher at the University of Illinois at Chicago. "

I personally think they are full of crap with their estimations but they do have a good point that health issues will start to crop up.

More exercise, less TV.

	17-03-2005 11:13									#41
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Probably has something to do with the teaching systems. I don't recall hearing that the European systems dumb down the class to the slowest student. It's hard to excel when the class plods along at the slowest rate of the slowest student, rather then at the average.

More money won't fix most of the troubled systems in the US. That's been examined. Reform the system, reform teachers (studies of US colleges found the college staff themselves felt their teaching of education wasn't worth the trouble of taking), dismiss tenior, make teachers take achievement/knowledge test when they start and ever 5 years thereafter. There's a ton of suggestions from various studies and think tanks on how to improve the American educational system. Everything but more money is opposed by teacher unions. Especially any form of testing. Seems teachers don't believe in testing (particularly standardized testing) as a means of proving you have a basic knowledge of a subject. Does anyone else from American schooling see the irony of that statement?

	17-03-2005 11:13									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar The United States has an anti-intellectualist culture and general apathy towards learning. Throwing money at schools and forcing children to "learn" 24/7 wont correct this. As well, the US cirruculum is confused abouit its goals and thus achieves none of them. US schools are disorderly, as well.

	17-03-2005 11:14									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar The United States has an anti-intellectualist culture and general apathy towards learning. Throwing money at schools and forcing children to "learn" 24/7 wont correct this. As well, the US cirruculum is confused abouit its goals and thus achieves none of them. US schools are disorderly, as well.

Commie propaganda.

	17-03-2005 11:15									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Darkstar Probably has something to do with the teaching systems. I don't recall hearing that the European systems dumb down the class to the slowest student. It's hard to excel when the class plods along at the slowest rate of the slowest student, rather then at the average. More money won't fix most of the troubled systems in the US. That's been examined. Reform the system, reform teachers (studies of US colleges found the college staff themselves felt their teaching of education wasn't worth the trouble of taking), dismiss tenior, make teachers take achievement/knowledge test when they start and ever 5 years thereafter. There's a ton of suggestions from various studies and think tanks on how to improve the American educational system. Everything but more money is opposed by teacher unions. Especially any form of testing. Seems teachers don't believe in testing (particularly standardized testing) as a means of proving you have a basic knowledge of a subject. Does anyone else from American schooling see the irony of that statement?

Stop blaming the damn teachers already!!!!

I would like everybody that blames teachers to walk a mile in their shoes and then see what it's really like!!!

Give them some incentive first and then we'll talk!

	17-03-2005 11:15									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Commie propaganda.

He's right though

	17-03-2005 11:16									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker He's right though

No he isn't.

	17-03-2005 11:18									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker He's right though

Yep, unfortunetly he is .

	17-03-2005 11:19									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yep, unfortunetly he is .

He tries to shoot, but hits himself in the head. That's difficult to do.

	17-03-2005 11:20									#49
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That's the studies. You saying the studies are blaming the teachers? Well, it's either the students or the teachers... and the tax paying parents don't like it when you blame their kids you know.

	17-03-2005 11:20									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo He tries to shoot, but hits himself in the head. That's difficult to do.

I don't see why. You manage it frequently enough.

	17-03-2005 11:20									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat I don't see why. You manage it frequently enough.

No only commies do it./

	17-03-2005 11:21									#52
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lol

	17-03-2005 11:21									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Darkstar That's the studies. You saying the studies are blaming the teachers? Well, it's either the students or the teachers... and the tax paying parents don't like it when you blame their kids you know.

Use the Vimes theory of problem solving: The correct answer is that which makes the most amount of people very angry.

	17-03-2005 11:21									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Darkstar That's the studies. You saying the studies are blaming the teachers? Well, it's either the students or the teachers... and the tax paying parents don't like it when you blame their kids you know.

You got the whole thinking wrong.

When there is systematic failure, blaming never solves anything

Stop the blame and fix the problem.

It's the system that's messed up

	17-03-2005 11:22									#55
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Now now, Wombat. It's not polite to point out to people that are missing 2 suits of card from their deck that they aren't all there.

	17-03-2005 11:22									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Actually, an analysis of communist history reveals they managed to excel in shooting other people in the head

Well didn't Hitler shoot himself in the head?

	17-03-2005 11:24									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Darkstar Probably has something to do with the teaching systems. I don't recall hearing that the European systems dumb down the class to the slowest student. It's hard to excel when the class plods along at the slowest rate of the slowest student, rather then at the average. More money won't fix most of the troubled systems in the US. That's been examined. Reform the system, reform teachers (studies of US colleges found the college staff themselves felt their teaching of education wasn't worth the trouble of taking), dismiss tenior, make teachers take achievement/knowledge test when they start and ever 5 years thereafter. There's a ton of suggestions from various studies and think tanks on how to improve the American educational system. Everything but more money is opposed by teacher unions. Especially any form of testing. Seems teachers don't believe in testing (particularly standardized testing) as a means of proving you have a basic knowledge of a subject. Does anyone else from American schooling see the irony of that statement?

Oh come on Does everybody here forget they were in school at one time. The classes are not be taught at the slowest level. The slowest kids fail and have to repeat the class if they fail for chirss sake. The smart ones move on. Dumber kids dont slow the class down.

	17-03-2005 11:24									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Well didn't Hitler shoot himself in the head?

And he wasn't a Communist. QED.

Can you ever keep track of logic?

	17-03-2005 11:24									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat And he wasn't a Communist. QED. Can you ever keep track of logic?

Communists.. fascists.. what is the difference.. they both murder innocent people.

	17-03-2005 11:26									#60
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Striker, it's odd, but most interested parents that look at those studies tend to ignore the suggestions on how *parents* can take action to improve their children's learning experience (you know, students). Like, taking an hour or two out of their day, every day, sit down with their child(ren) and go through their homework with them. This is a proven way to raise most student's grades by a letter and a half, and tends to improve other aspects of their child's scholastic life.