19-03-2005 00:43									#1
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quote: Judge rejects right-to-die delay A US judge has ruled that a feeding tube may be removed from a brain-damaged woman despite a Senate move to stop it. Earlier on Friday, the Senate ordered Terri Schiavo to appear before a committee in the hope that by doing so, it would stop her feeding tube from being withdrawn. But a Florida judge has re-instated an order for life support to be removed. The latest tussle over Mrs Schiavo follows years of court battles. Mrs Schiavo's parents want to keep her alive, and her husband, who is her legal guardian, does not. Mrs Schiavo, 41, has been in a persistent vegetative state since 1990, and is not expected to recover. Michael Schiavo says his wife would not want to be kept alive in her current condition. Congressional orders The Senate had intervened earlier on Friday by issuing subpoenas ordering Mr and Mrs Schiavo to testify later this month. Senate Majority leader Bill Frist said in a statement the move was intended to keep her alive. "The Senate and House remain dedicated to saving Terri Schiavo's life," the statement on his website said. He added that US law made it a crime "to obstruct or impede a witness' attendance". A lawyer working with Mr Schiavo disputed the Senate's power to force a delay. "This is clearly an effort to circumvent a lawful court order by a state judge," Howard Simon of the American Civil Liberties Union said, the Associated Press reported. "I am not sure how a subpoena, which is ordinarily done to produce records or somebody to testify, can essentially have the effect of an injunction overriding the orders of a court." The Florida hospice where Mrs Schiavo lives said it had received a subpoena on Friday, but did not say who it was for or how they would respond. Court battles Florida courts have so far rejected efforts by the parents to stop the feeding tube from being removed. And the US Supreme Court has refused to step in to rule on a fresh appeal from her parents to intervene in the case. Even if the tube is removed, Mrs Schiavo will not die immediately, but she would be deprived of food. The case has galvanised activists from both sides of the euthanasia debate. President George W Bush said the case of Terri Schiavo raised complex issues. "Yet in instances like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws and our courts should have a presumption in favour of life," Mr Bush said. Mrs Schiavo suffered brain damage after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder.

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Let her go already will you..

	19-03-2005 00:48									#2
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yeah I was going to post a thread about all the republicans trying to stop this.

Republicans from Wyoming were trying to stop this. It's none of their business.

Although I still don't like the husband pulling the plug. I'm not sure if we can trust this guy.

oh well. sad case all the way around.

	19-03-2005 02:10									#3
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quote: Although I still don't like the husband pulling the plug. I'm not sure if we can trust this guy.

I trust him fully. I don't trust the scheming, ******* family of the woman who is trying to make the husband look bad when he's spent over a million on the wife's medical care.

	19-03-2005 03:11									#4
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the thing is husbands come and go. Marriage doesn't mean **** anymore.

The family has more right to say what's good for her than her husband. They are related by blood.

Having said that, if the family wants to keep her alive, they should pay for it .

	19-03-2005 03:16									#5
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quote: Mrs Schiavo suffered brain damage after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder.

I can't imagine what it would take to do something like this to yourself. :sad:

	19-03-2005 03:17									#6
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That's the second time I see an American make a comment like that..who gives a **** about the money???
That's the last thing this is about.

	19-03-2005 03:23									#7
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I say let her go...

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be kept alive by machines just for the sake of life. This woman is probably brain dead anyways.

	19-03-2005 03:25									#8
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quote: Originally posted by alva That's the second time I see an American make a comment like that..who gives a **** about the money??? That's the last thing this is about.

everything is about money. I'm sure the husband doesn't want to flip the bill to keep her alive.

	19-03-2005 03:30									#9
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Have any of you seen any videos on this woman lately? she is alive makes sounds and things like that if the faily wants to take care of her let them pay for it and let her live until she dies of natural causes not starvtion

	19-03-2005 03:33									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Have any of you seen any videos on this woman lately?

Yes, she is a vegetable

quote: she is alive makes sounds and things like that

no, that is not accurate... the file videos you see on CNN are years old. MSNBC is the only station that is being truthful. She isn't conscious, she doesn't move. There's nothing there.

quote: if the faily wants to take care of her let them pay for it and let her live until she dies of natural causes not starvtion

I can't imagine a worse fate than my soul being trapped in my body like that. If she still is in there, it must be a nightmare. It's like the Metallica song, "One".

	19-03-2005 03:35									#11
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Truth be told sava I didnt know the videos were that old. But if the husband wants out let him get out let the family take care of what they have left.

	19-03-2005 03:37									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc quote: Mrs Schiavo suffered brain damage after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder. I can't imagine what it would take to do something like this to yourself. :sad:

So you could say she ate herself silly?

	19-03-2005 03:38									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Truth be told sava I didnt know the videos were that old. But if the husband wants out let him get out let the family take care of what they have left.

Well I applaud the husband for trying to follow the wishes of his wife.

And it's sickening that pro-life republicans are trying to use Schiavo as a political tool.

	19-03-2005 03:47									#14
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While I agree politics dont need to be involved here, the woman still has a family besides her husband. It may be a last ditch effort on their part but why take that away from them?

	19-03-2005 03:50									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski While I agree politics dont need to be involved here, the woman still has a family besides her husband. It may be a last ditch effort on their part but why take that away from them?

because Terry didn't want to be kept alive in that state...

	19-03-2005 03:57									#16
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quote: I'm sure the husband doesn't want to flip the bill to keep her alive.

All he has to do to avoid that is to simply divorce her. Then he's off the hook.

	19-03-2005 03:58									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident everything is about money. I'm sure the husband doesn't want to flip the bill to keep her alive.

I don't think it's about the bill to keep her alive. I would wager the parents would be more than willing to cover the bill or some right-to-life organization.

He may truly care for his wife and believe she is suffering in this state she is in. Maybe she did tell him she didn't want to live like that before this happened.
Or maybe he doesn't want to be married to a vegetable forever and the term widower who remained faithful is more marketable than divorcee who couldn't wait for his vegetable wife to die. Even IF a divorce didn't cost him to lose anything financially, the media would rip him apart for a divorce or even a seperation over this.

Edit: changed widow to widower, since I doubt he will get a sex change.

	19-03-2005 04:14									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident everything is about money. I'm sure the husband doesn't want to flip the bill to keep her alive.

That's why there is something like the state.

	19-03-2005 04:15									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I say let her go... I sure as hell wouldn't want to be kept alive by machines just for the sake of life.

Life is sacret, breathing isn't...

	19-03-2005 04:24									#20
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My god, not this again. Let her go and end her suffering. The family has this pipe dream that she will somehow get better, SHE WON'T.

	19-03-2005 04:24									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Sava because Terry didn't want to be kept alive in that state...

Where is that stated in her hand writing. YOur going on the basis of what the husband is stating

	19-03-2005 04:26									#22
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quote: Originally posted by alva Life is sacret, breathing isn't...

She's breathing on her own. What they're going to do is remove her feeding tube so she dies of dehydration.

	19-03-2005 04:28									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Where is that stated in her hand writing. YOur going on the basis of what the husband is stating

And what reason does he have to lie?

	19-03-2005 04:31									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And what reason does he have to lie?

For One I never said he lied. I said your listening to his opinions on what his wife might have or might not have said to him. There is no proof that she didnt want to live on life support other then stated by a man that may or may not be giving a **** right now.

	19-03-2005 04:49									#25
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It has been to this man's detriment to fight to let his wife die. If he simply wanted the money, well that was used up in care for her a decade ago. If he simeply wanted to be free, he could have turned her over to her parents' care and divorced her. Either he really hates her and wants her to die or he really loves her, and wants her to die. Of the two, only love would carry you through what this man has been through.

All this is is a way for the GOP to stir up their base.

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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski For One I never said he lied. I said your listening to his opinions on what his wife might have or might not have said to him. There is no proof that she didnt want to live on life support other then stated by a man that may or may not be giving a **** right now.

He's stood by her side for 16 years.

Another thing. What about the so called "sanctity of marriage"? This part isn't to you Mrs. Tubes, but for the so called pro-lifers. The GOP always talks about how marriage is a sacred institution and how we can't let gays get married... but what about the sanctity of the Schiavo marriage? Michael Schiavo has stood by his wife for 16 years, watching her suffer in this state. Even the courts say he has the right to make this decision. It's just more proof that Republicans don't care about the "sanctity" of marriage...

	19-03-2005 04:56									#27
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Let's not forget that this man probably hasn't had much of a life either the last 15 years.
He too has a right - while doing the right thing- to refind some happiness.

	19-03-2005 04:59									#28
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara All this is is a way for the GOP to stir up their base.

Che, that's a shallow argument that I'd say was normally beneath you. This is a sad case all around. Nobody wins from this suffering.

Let me ask this, if it was an injured dog or cat that was going to be starved to death would some of the answers here be different?

	19-03-2005 05:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Che, that's a shallow argument that I'd say was normally beneath you. This is a sad case all around. Nobody wins from this suffering.

just look at all the whacko fundies protesting this... the GOP surely wins by politicizing this issue.

quote: Let me ask this, if it was an injured dog or cat that was going to be starved to death would some of the answers here be different?

I wouldn't want an animal to suffer any more than I would want a human to suffer. I don't see how this is relevant. Plus, we euthenize animals. We should offer the same choice for humans.

	19-03-2005 05:02									#30
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS So you could say she ate herself silly?

Starved most likely.