26-03-2005 10:53									#391
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Im not sure why this has to be a left or right thing the parents are human, love their daughter whil doing what they are may not be the right thing for terri it seem the right thing for them

	26-03-2005 10:53									#392
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Why did the cops initially say this was a homicide?

How COULD they have said it was a homicide? For them to make that pronouncement, they would have had to have found Terry Schiavo dead.

Were do you find stuff to make up, Ned?

	26-03-2005 10:53									#393
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	26-03-2005 10:54									#394
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quote: Dude, right wing Christians lie all the freakin time. They're evil people.

That's really what this is about for a lot of you, isn't it? You don't really care about the moral questions surrounding this issue. You just want to score a victory over the Religious Right and don't care if the price of that victory is killing a woman who didn't want to be killed in the first place. That's really sad and I have about as much respect for those of you who are acting in this way as I have for this douchebag...

	26-03-2005 10:54									#395
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer "Living Wills" are almost always completely and utterly worthless, TCO. They are too vague and can never hope to cover every nuance or possibility of a given medical scenario. I've never dealt with one that had any value apart from doubling as toilet paper in a pinch. Durable Powers of Attorney for Medical Care are the only way to go; and that is what Michael Schiavo has.

Also, I'm not sure if these powers of attorney are things that people really think through. I know a living will would be more obvious to me (I decide what conditions should be) than a paper ceding judgement. I saw guys on the boat get screwed hard (empty houses) by giving POA to their wives. It's one thing to lose some money. Another thing to have the plug pulled...

	26-03-2005 10:54									#396
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc They were basing their opinion then on what may have been a misdiagnosis. Can we try again?

Why? I know, lets diagnose her every other day, at the expense of DinoDoc

	26-03-2005 10:55									#397
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I don't trust the parents/ I think they are lying manipualtive snakes. They simply are fighting because it's against their religion to let the body die. pro-life scum

Che, you are so bigoted as to be almost inhuman in you vehemence against Christians.

	26-03-2005 10:56									#398
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quote: Originally posted by TCO ok. I'm never giving one of those. And I'm going to sign some paper saying for them to keep me alive. I just saw all this stuff go down with my grandma last month and noone even ASKED what she would have wanted.

You need a human you can trust, TCO.

It was part of the planning for my mother. I knew exactly what she wanted and did not, but we were both cautioned that I needed to be vigilant or various people might just go about doing their jobs as they understood them.

It boils down to you need someone who you can trust to make sure your wishes are carried out, and they need to have the paperwork to back them up.

	26-03-2005 10:56									#399
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POA is prefered simply because it is clear--what they say goes, cut and dry.

At least, that's the way it is supposed to work, and usually does when your governor isn't named Bush.

	26-03-2005 10:56									#400
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Why?

Why as why?

	26-03-2005 10:57									#401
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Ewww.

	26-03-2005 10:57									#403
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Okay, this is just getting really crazy now.

quote: Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned. Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding. For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called "a showdown." In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice. "We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in," said a source with the local police. "The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene," said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. "When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off."

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11233240.htm

	26-03-2005 10:59									#404
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quote: Dude, it hasn't been just one neurologist. Every neurologist who has examined her, apart from the quack the family hired, have reached the same conclusion.

As far as I know, 5 neurologists opinions were considered by the court. Two were "quacks" for the family, two were "quacks" for the husband and one was court-appointed. The two family neurologists said Terri wasn't in a PVS, the two for the husband said she was and the court-appointed neurologist agreed with the husband's side. Apparently the court appointed doctor only spent about a half-hour examining Terri, though. Not exactly conclusive, in my opinion at least.

	26-03-2005 10:59									#405
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	26-03-2005 11:00									#406
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quote: Originally posted by GePap She had an court appointed guardian to speak for her interests. What would be the point of counsel, if she could not talk with a client.

Surely you understand that a lawyer would actively test whether Michael was lying or not. I assure you, if a criminal defendent was ordered to be put to death after a trial where they were not represented by counsel, the whole proceding would be declared unconstitutional.

It is my understanding that the Guardian hired experts to check into whether there was brain activity in Terri. This is entirely different from testing the credibility of Michael and other withnesses against Terri in the proceding.

	26-03-2005 11:01									#407
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That's not crazy.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/3/25/75836.html

quote: A man has been arrested and charged with offering a $250,000 reward for killing Michael Schiavo. Richard Alan Meywes was arrested in Fairview, North Carolina by the FBI and the Buncombe County Sheriff's Office. On March 23, the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office forwarded an email to the FBI in Tampa which purportedly offered a $250,000 bounty on "the head of Michael Schiavo." The email placed an additional $50,000 bounty for the elimination of a judge who recently denied a request to intervene in the Schiavo case.

This is crazy.

	26-03-2005 11:02									#408
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quote: Originally posted by TCO Also, I'm not sure if these powers of attorney are things that people really think through. I know a living will would be more obvious to me (I decide what conditions should be) than a paper ceding judgement. I saw guys on the boat get screwed hard (empty houses) by giving POA to their wives. It's one thing to lose some money. Another thing to have the plug pulled...

Do you have a brother, or a really good friend?

	26-03-2005 11:02									#409
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Im not sure why this has to be a left or right thing the parents are human, love their daughter whil doing what they are may not be the right thing for terri it seem the right thing for them

Why the sympathy for her parents but the suspicion for her husband?

	26-03-2005 11:03									#410
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The parents haven't been trying to kill her for a decade...

	26-03-2005 11:03									#411
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither You need a human you can trust, TCO. It was part of the planning for my mother. I knew exactly what she wanted and did not, but we were both cautioned that I needed to be vigilant or various people might just go about doing their jobs as they understood them. It boils down to you need someone who you can trust to make sure your wishes are carried out, and they need to have the paperwork to back them up.

I guess I'm ok with it if if it's someone I trust. But with the whole money behind Micheal and all that...

	26-03-2005 11:04									#412
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Dude, right wing Christians lie all the freakin time. They're evil people. That's really what this is about for a lot of you, isn't it? You don't really care about the moral questions surrounding this issue.

You mean the moral question of not allowing the GOP to force people how to live their lives and run their families? Same ****in' people who said Elian's father should have no rights to his kid. The only reason it's about defeating the right is because the right is trying to stick its nose someplace it doesn't belong.

	26-03-2005 11:04									#413
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But they've tainted the reputation of a man trying to give his wife a rest, and are living in denial.

	26-03-2005 11:04									#414
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Why the sympathy for her parents but the suspicion for her husband?

Mostly because the parents didn't go get another daughter while she was dying.

ACK!

	26-03-2005 11:04									#415
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Over the course of the last several days I have heard numbers of witnesses flatly contradict the so-called court experts on Terri's consciousness, and on whether Terri ever gave consent to her being put to death. [/q] And they do this NOW? Where were they for the hearing? The court had three competent witnesses come up during the hearing itself- if these tons of people "know" these things, one wonders where they were when it mattered?

Now YOU are making my point as to why it was necessary for Terry to have been represent by counsel. Apparently no competent investigation was ever conducted at the time and no contrary, pro-Terri witnesses were called. The lack of counsel was a contributing factor to the legal result we have here.

	26-03-2005 11:06									#416
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Mostly because the parents didn't go get another daughter while she was dying. ACK!

Yeah, and you expect a man to not go on with his life 15 years after his wife is in a PVS? Come on, in the movies by that time the ghost of the wife would come and tell him to move on already.

	26-03-2005 11:07									#417
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer POA is prefered simply because it is clear--what they say goes, cut and dry. At least, that's the way it is supposed to work, and usually does when your governor isn't named Bush.

POA is what we were told was needed, in addition to a care directive.

The POA gave me the power to decide anything that she couldn't for herself.

The care directive was necessary so that they would be less likely to put the tube down her throat when I wasn't around if/when she went to the hospital in respiratory distress.

	26-03-2005 11:07									#418
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quote: Originally posted by GePap quote: Finally, there is the most recent testimony that Terri declared her wish to stay alive last Friday. Her attorney asked her to just say "I want to live." Terri exclaimed "I." Then she stuggled. Then she screamed "Wannnnnn..." Then she struggled some more and started to cry. If this had 0 merit, the lawyer who "saw this" would have included it in a previous filing, not the last one. Its actually pretty pathetic and a wastes of the court's time. What is the punishment, if any, for filling false affidavits?

The affidavit was in support of a full hearing on the merits of this issue next week. There were more than one witness to the events described, including a cop.

	26-03-2005 11:08									#419
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quote: Originally posted by Bill3000 Yeah, and you expect a man to not go on with his life 15 years after his wife is in a PVS? Come on, in the movies by that time the ghost of the wife would come and tell him to move on already.

I understand why he did it. The why doesn't make it right.

ACK!

	26-03-2005 11:08									#420
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Che, you are so bigoted as to be almost inhuman in you vehemence against Christians.

Ned
Christian = right-wing Christians

Che
right-wing christians = evil subset of all Christians

Thus, in Ned's mind I hate all Chrisitans, when it's only the self-righteous, evil, hypocritical bastards who want to force the rest of us to live by their bliefs I hate. And I'm allowed, cuz they want to force me to think and believe and act in ways contrary to my beliefs and desires. They are the reason I'm not a Republian anymore.