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Now they are comparing Terri Schiavo with Jesus Christ.

actually I'm okay with that comparison. As it measns she has to die.

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Good timing too

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Come on, no way they said that. I mean, desperation is one thing, but they would have to know that would utterly destroy any credibility they had entirely about anything they've said.


excuse the link please. This was reported on CNN to. It's just Fox news one was easier to find.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151454,00.html

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Where are you getting this stuff, Diss?

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Where are you getting this stuff, Diss?


CNN right now.

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excuse the link please. This was reported on CNN to. It's just Fox news one was easier to find.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151454,00.html


, okay, that's not quite what they're saying. She said "aaah waaah."

Oh lord, this is a farce...

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Interesting that this incident supposedly happened March 18, but not a peep was said about it until now. You'd think they would have been running to the judge with it. Utter BS (not that, were it even true, it would be particularly meaningful).

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This is seriously said...

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Yeah, it is...

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The issue in most federal Habeas Corpus cases is the resolution of whether the petitionier's constitutional rights were violated.


Which is done in CRIMINAL cases, Ned. You aren't listening! Habeus corpus review does not apply in civil cases. Habeus corpus is a petition that you are being held unfairly. That doesn't apply to the civil side.


"habeas corpus


Lat. "you have the body" Prisoners often seek release by filing a petition for a writ of habeas corpus. A writ of habeas corpus is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody. A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The petition must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error. Habeas corpus petitions are usually filed by persons serving prison sentences. In family law, a parent who has been denied custody of his child by a trial court may file a habeas corpus petition. Also, a party may file a habeas corpus petition if a judge declares her in contempt of court and jails or threatens to jail her.

In Brown v. Vasquez, 952 F.2d 1164, 1166 (9th Cir. 1991), cert. denied, 112 S.Ct. 1778 (1992), the court observed that the Supreme Court has "recognized the fact that`[t]he writ of habeas corpus is the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action.' Harris v. Nelson, 394 U.S. 286, 290-91 (1969). " Therefore, the writ must be "administered with the initiative and flexibility essential to insure that miscarriages of justice within its reach are surfaced and corrected." Harris, 394 U.S. at 291.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h001.htm

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Why are we still arguing about this?

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[Oh, and under Article III of the Constitution, Congress has the right to "ordain and establish" smaller federal courts and the right to set the salary of judges. It says nothing about increasing the jurisdiction... that is something that would be an Article I power.


The power of Congress to establish courts and the power to limit their jurisdiction or expand it as appropriate has long been established. You make it seem as if Congress could not change even the bounderies of judicial districts, add courts, subtract courts, declare courts of limited or more general jurisdiction. This is utterly ridiculous. Regardless of whether the exact thing done here by Congress is not stated exactly in Article III or I, there is a "necessary and proper" clause that fills the gap, and a long history of Congress actually exercising the power it exercised here.

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Ned is pwnd.

And ask Ozzy about how he feels considering the powers of a legal guardian.


Shawn, why am I pwned? Read the quote above about Habeas Corpus. It clearly applies in this case.

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Individuals have the right to refuse medical treatment.

I assume no one here has ever read the original finding of the court and what evidence they used to make the finding that Terry Schiavo would have refused medical care. What the Schindlers or their people say is irrelevant, since they are utterly biased parties.

As for "new proof", what "new proof" can there possibly be about what Terry's wishes were?

As for the notiont aht no courts ever examined the findings of fact of the first court- how can that possibly be?? In the original appeals by the Schindler's one assumes they at that point challenged the finding of facts, unless the Schindler lawyers have been utterly incompetent throughout.


GePap, the scope of review of an appellate court does not extend to it substituting its finds of facts for the facts found below based on whether it disagrees with the findings below. It is only to legal error and to whether the judge's findings of fact were clearly erroneous.

From my understanding, there has been only one hearing on this matter. At that hearing, Terri was not represented by an attorney to test whether her husband was lying or not about Terri's wishes.

Over the course of the last several days I have heard numbers of witnesses flatly contradict the so-called court experts on Terri's consciousness, and on whether Terri ever gave consent to her being put to death. Tonight on Hannity's show, a co-worker/friend of Terri's testified that Michael and Terri would often fight and would leave Terri with bruises. The day before the event, she had a major row with Michael over spending $80 on her hair. She told her friend that she was contemplating divorce.

Another former friend of Michael and Terri flatly states that Michael is lying about the consent issue, and about a lot of other issues as well. She describes a party where she overheard Michael tell another girl that he had no idea what Terri would have wanted in this condition.

She said that Micheal changed into a monster after the coming into possession of the malpractice award and revoked all his prior promises to take care of Terri, etc. Instead, he began to use the money to end Terri's life.

I have heard nurse after nurse declare that Terri is conscious, can talk and does talk.

Finally, there is the most recent testimony that Terri declared her wish to stay alive last Friday. Her attorney asked her to just say "I want to live." Terri exclaimed "I." Then she stuggled. Then she screamed "Wannnnnn..." Then she struggled some more and started to cry.

Her sister was present when this occurred and confirms the facts. The guard outside the door also heard the screams and can testify.

Biased? I think there are enough people who have no interest whatsoever in the the outcome of this case who have flatly contradicted the testimony of Michael, someone who has an apparent conflict. Biased? Bull.

This is judicial tyranny at its most vile.

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Nurses ain't MDs, Ned.

And not all MDs are neurologists.

That woman is not conscious. She can not talk. She does not talk.

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There's more than one witness, including one of Terry's brothers.


And there are witnesses to prior inconsistent statements by Michael that the court has never heard.

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ned is fully indoctrinated by their propaganda... there's no hope for him

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Nurses ain't MDs, Ned.

And not all MDs are neurologists.

That woman is not conscious. She can not talk. She does not talk.


Why not hold a hearing and have the nurses testify to the facts they observed. Then we can hear doctors on their medical conclusions based on the facts.

Nurse after nurse has come forward and said that Terri can talk, has talked. One nurse said that Terri used to sit at the nurse's station and greet people as they arrived, saying to them "Hi." This does not sound like a person without a mind to me.

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Sava, I am reporting to you the testimony of people I have actually seen on TV myself. These people have no apparent interest or reason to lie.

In contrast, Michael Schiavo does.

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These people have no apparent interest or reason to lie.


Dude, right wing Christians lie all the freakin time. They're evil people.

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How did she get to the nurse station? Ur right guy we arent mds but we spend more time with the doctors patients to know what they are capable of we just need docs permission to take care of the folks.

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Not trying to belittle you, Mrs. T. I'm just saying that RNs ain't experts in determining what constitutes conscious actions. Neither am I.

Neurologists, on the other hand, are. And every court-appointed neurologist has come to the same conclusion--no higher brain activity.

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Anyway, these people so badly screwed their daughter up that she developed a eating disorder. Are we supposed to believe they ever had her interests at heart. They just don't wnat her to escape their abuse.

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I know your not guy simply stating a piece of facts we do indeed spend a lot of time with docs patients we see and inform you of thier progress simple fact. I do feel that maybe some of these nurses are doing this thing bout schiavo for publicity though

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Anyway, these people so badly screwed their daughter up that she developed a eating disorder. Are we supposed to believe they ever had her interests at heart. They just don't wnat her to escape their abuse.

please che the parents gave her the eating disorder give me a break she did that on her own

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Are you saying that nurses are too stupid to be able to notice what is a response in their patients, Guy?

My mother went to a neurologist in the early stages of ALS. He treated her as if whe were a malingerer or something.

The nurses in her GPs office and her GP went to bat for her and got her the care she needed because they knew better than the specialist. A hell of a lot better.

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please che the parents gave her the eating disorder give me a break she did that on her own


I'm sorry. If people are going to now start saying Schiavo beat his wife, I'm going to say her parents abused her.

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Oh, clearly Mrs. T. I'd hate to imagine my job without you guys and everything you do.

Nurses in general

Media whore nurses either out-right lying or grossly misrepresenting their abilities to assess cognitive status

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An unfortunately story, NYE, and honestly a similar experience with my family is what pushed me into medicine, i.e. "I can do this better."

But that is the exception, rather than the rule.

 
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