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Take your bible nonsense else where, thanks.


Not a Judeo-Christian, thanks.

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Fair enough. Do we know who does stand to inherit if not the husband, or if there is something to inherit (having read MtG's post)? That's the only thing about it, based on what little I've heard, that really bugs me, that the husband of all people is getting to decide for some reason, despite having clearly moved on. If he has the potential for personal gain he should not have the deciding say in the matter all to himself no matter what state she's in.


There was about 700 grand from a medical malpractice settlement, plus who knows what if anything else from life insurance policies (not necessarily cancellable if someone keeps paying the premiums on time).

According to the hubbies' side, that's been pissed away in legal fees and some medical costs, according to the parents, he's held back on medical for years and there's money there. I have no idea which is true, and what if any of it has been admissible in all the law and motion stuff that's gone on.

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You should try medicine.


Going to law school next year, does that count?

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Not a Judeo-Christian, thanks.


Denial.


You came out and started talking about souls, your game is up.

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according to the parents, he's held back on medical for years and there's money there


Frankly, I think keeping a person tied to a feeding tube for 10 years probably would have exhausted the $700k. Then again, maybe we should ask Guy if that is a reasonable assumption to make.

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Denial.


You came out and started talking about souls, your game is up.


I'm a Taoist, jackass.

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Yes. To both of your questions.

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I'm a Taoist, jackass.



Yeah, right.

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How long after she became like this before the hubby moved on. I think I read she has been like this for more than 10 years? It is a lot to expect a man or woman to remain alone for a decade or more. My mother had a stroke and my Dad cared for her for 15 years. She wasn't quite herself, but she was. In this case, if she has been in vegetative state, I don't know how I could criticize her husband for moving on. I was proud of my Dad for standing with my mother, but it came at great price. I'd have to avoid judging the guy on this one.

If I were to befall should a thing, I wouldn't want to be maintained in her state; nor would I want a loved one to have make such a sacrifice. I would want them to move on and find happiness.

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Denial.


You came out and started talking about souls, your game is up.


He was saying that it isn't "bible nonsense," which is true, the concept of a soul is not unique to the abrahamic faiths. It's also not grounds for legal argument under current precedent, but part of his point remains.

MtG: Dunno about you, but provided her mental function has in fact gone and those deciding don't stand to inherit a bundle, it's not a big deal for me.

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according to the parents, he's held back on medical for years and there's money there


Frankly, I think keeping a person tied to a feeding tube for 10 years probably would have exhausted the $700k. Then again, maybe we should ask Guy if that is a reasonable assumption to make.


An article I saw recently put the total Schiavo health bill at $1.2 million, so I'd say that's more than likely.

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Does this have to be linked again?

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

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Is Michael really just looking for money?

I have no way to know. I know what the Schindlers say to reporters, but then I know that the Second District's first decision in the case used these words to describe Michael's care for Terri:

Theresa has been blessed with loving parents and a loving husband. Many patients in this condition would have been abandoned by friends and family within the first year. Michael has continued to care for her and to visit her all these years. He has never divorced her. He has become a professional respiratory therapist and works in a nearby hospital. As a guardian, he has always attempted to provide optimum treatment for his wife. He has been a diligent watch guard of Theresa's care, never hesitating to annoy the nursing staff in order to assure that she receives the proper treatment.

Recently, Michael received an offer of $1 million, and perhaps a second offer of $10 million, to walk away from this case and permit Terri's parents to care for her. These offers, assuming there were two, were based on a misunderstanding of the situation here. Michael lacks the power to undo the court order determining Terri's wishes and requiring the removal of her feeding tube. He did not make the decision and cannot unmake it. The court made the decision on Terri's behalf. Nonetheless, Michael apparently rejected each offer.


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Why did Terri’s husband get to make the decision about whether she should live or die?
Michael Schiavo did not make the decision to discontinue life-prolonging measures for Terri.

As Terri's husband, Michael has been her guardian and her surrogate decision-maker. By 1998, though -- eight years after the trauma that produced Terri's situation -- Michael and Terri's parents disagreed over the proper course for her.

Rather than make the decision himself, Michael followed a procedure permitted by Florida courts by which a surrogate such as Michael can petition a court, asking the court to act as the ward's surrogate and determine what the ward would decide to do. Michael did this, and based on statements Terri made to him and others, he took the position that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures. The Schindlers took the position that Terri would continue life-prolonging measures. Under this procedure, the trial court becomes the surrogate decision-maker, and that is what happened in this case.

The trial court in this case held a trial on the dispute. Both sides were given opportunities to present their views and the evidence supporting those views. Afterwards, the trial court determined that, even applying the "clear and convincing evidence" standard -- the highest burden of proof used in civil cases -- the evidence showed that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures.

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Yeah, right.


Dig up old threads yourself as I've already stated it numerous times when the subject comes up.

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Elok - I don't think it's a big deal myself, but obviously her parents and family do. If she's not demonstrably in pain, then I don't see the problem with the hubby giving her back to the parents, getting a divorce and moving on with his life - if I was in his situation, and knew she wasn't conscious and trapped in that body, or in serious pain, I would have done that.

The taxpayers shouldn't be forced to subsidize it, but if the parents want to keep her going, why the hell not?

After my brother's experience with Agent Orange related cancers 11 years ago, I did a living will straight away, so there won't be any doubt as to what to do with me. It's a weird thing to think about at that age (I was 34), but things can happen any time, so I just dealt with it and settled that stuff straight away.

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Dig up old threads yourself as I've already stated it numerous times when the subject comes up.



So you've thought it out and set up a scheme to fall back on if your christian tendencies where found out, big deal.

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Does this have to be linked again?

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html



It's moot - he petitioned the court, knowing that the courts would be pretty much law bound to follow his direct testimony (and the other "witnesses" were his family members), such as it was.

Her mental state (emotional disturbance evidenced by severe bulimia) wasn't considered in deciding how much weight to give her alleged spontaneous statements.

He could have simply consented to what the parents wanted, and he wouldn't have been harmed (except perhaps financially). He chose to initiate a legal proceeding in which he was prepared to give direct testimony to what he claimed she said. All her parents could do under oath was say they didn't believe she'd ever intend to end her life. Case closed, he just gets to hide behind the court.

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My take:

Dunno if the stuff about the malpractice settlement having money left that the nominal hubby would inherit is true, but if it is, he has a conflict of interest.

Her intent was never clearly specified, and if it was, sorry she's a bit ****ed up or subject to psych abuse or both, or she wouldn't have bulimia-barfed herself into a near fatal potassium deficiency.

If she's a veg, she ain't suffering, so there's no misery to put her out of.

Hubby's moved on with shack-up g/f and kids. If she wasn't a veg, she'd divorce his ass in a heartbeat and he wouldn't have any say anyhow, so **** him, he can shove off.

If her parents want a pet rock, and they have the means or get donations and the taxpayers don't have to foot the bill, then who cares, let 'em have her and take care of her.

The Bushies and Congress should sod off - it ain't a Federal matter. We're running a 1.2 billion a day deficit and tying up Congress, the President and judicial resouces over this kind of horseshit? Good thing we have Canucks and transplanted Frogs to our north instead of Visigoths, else we'd be truly scrod.


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All of her brain is jelly except for the stem, who the **** cares what happens to her?

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The Bushies and Congress should sod off - it ain't a Federal matter. We're running a 1.2 billion a day deficit and tying up Congress, the President and judicial resouces over this kind of horseshit? Good thing we have Canucks and transplanted Frogs to our north instead of Visigoths, else we'd be truly scrod.


Only if you had anything we wanted...

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Only if you had anything we wanted...
American dollars?

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I'd rather have euros

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Damn, I was going to make that joke...

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Where are all the haters trying to tear apart MtG.

The best they can do is:

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He says the same things that you've been told over and over by several people.

But everyone is afraid of MtG.

Good to know I agree with himon every salient point.

ACK!

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Good to know I agree with himon every salient point.


It is nice, isn't it? I wish I could instill such fear in the hearts of other posters...

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We're tired of arguing this crap. I think we've already set out a good point in this thread about the amount of money it would take to care for Terry would have exceeded the malpractice away... hence, no financial gain for Michael here.

As for the he should have let the parents take over care for the wife, the same response continues, maybe he really wants to carry out her last wishes and feels dutybound by them.

As for the Congress and Bush should never have gotten involved... yep, that's our point.

What should we 'tear apart', oh wise one?

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Where are all the haters trying to tear apart MtG.
well MtG is entitled to his opinion... and he hasn't misrepresented any facts of the case... I don't see what exactly I'm supposed to "tear apart"

He is basically agreeing with everything I said except he would just leave Terri for the parents. I disagree. But that's about it.

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He says the same things that you've been told over and over by several people.
well he hasn't misrepresented the facts and he's not posting bullshit from right-to-life websites... the people I've "ripped into" have done one or the other or both

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But everyone is afraid of MtG.
nah, if MtG were on here saying Terri is speaking and that she's not PVS and quoting www.jesuslovesyou.com, I'd say the same things I told everyone else...

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Good to know I agree with himon every salient point.

ACK!
well at least we don't have our tongues stuck up his ass

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the people I've "ripped into"




You are indeed a fearsome opponent...

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Isn't the loving husband technically a bigamist? He's been cohabitating with woman for 10 years.

Does Florida have common law statutes?

ACK!

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No, Florida doesn't, so he isn't technically a bigamist.

 
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