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Sava is offline Sava
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the people I've "ripped into"




You are indeed a fearsome opponent...
I don't care about fear...

I pwned you and your bullshit attempts at debate

but I don't even care about that, but judging by your repeated attempts at instigation, you obviously do... hahahah that's sad

btw I love how you "agreed" with MtG despite you arguing totally different points and using biased sources that lacked credibility

listening to retarded people on the internet is amusing to me, which is why I troll you

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I pwned you




Sure you did, kiddo.

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My take is this. She's in PVS - she ain't coming out of it. For all intents and purposes, she is dead, and keeping a feeding tube in her is a waste of money, time, and resources.

That said, if the husband is willing to spend the money, that's fine. Likewise, if the parents are willing to spend the money, that's fine as well. The parents shouldn't expect the husband to continue paying the medical bills if he doesn't want to, nor should the state (and vice versa, of course).

It seems to me that the reasonable solution is for the husband to simply seek a divorce. Under Florida law, that would, as I understand it, put the decisions (and financial responsibility) on the parents. If they - and NOT the taxpayer, as MtG points out - are willing to and can pay the bill to keep her "alive" (and I use that term loosely), then so be it. I personally think that's cruel, ESPECIALLY if we assume that the religious beliefs of that family are true and Terri will go to heaven if she dies.

Which brings up another point. If her parents know she is in PVS, and they also "know" that if they simply pull the plug, she will go to heaven and her nightmare will be over, why are they being selfish? That's my question - no reasonable person is claiming that Terri will come out of PVS, including the doctors, so why are the parents so adamant about keeping her "alive"?

Then there's the husband, Michael. Yes, maybe he is acting in good faith, and trying to carry out her wishes. Seems to me, though, that he's at the point now where he should just say "**** it", and get a divorce so the parents can decide (and pay).

I think we can all agree, though, that the federal government needs to stay out of this case.

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I don't care about fear...

I pwned you and your bullshit attempts at debate

but I don't even care about that, but judging by your repeated attempts at instigation, you obviously do... hahahah that's sad

btw I love how you "agreed" with MtG despite you arguing totally different points and using biased sources that lacked credibility

listening to retarded people on the internet is amusing to me, which is why I troll you


I'm going to say this once. Stop using the word retarded.

ACK!

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I wasn't joking. I had a retarded sister and I find that word offensive.

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... why did you use the term there?

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... why did you use the term there?


Because she was retarded, she wasn't someone I disagreed with.

It's not the term itself, it's the misuse of the term that bothers me.

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maybe I was talking about actual retarded people...
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Except you aimed your remark at Drake. Please knock it off.

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I don't recall mentioning his name

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I'm not saying anything else, I don't want to seem as petty as you are being.

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I caught on.

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I caught on.


'Bout time...

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I had cut and pasted a bunch of quotes when it hit, "I'm being a Fez!"



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I had cut and pasted a bunch of quotes when it hit, "I'm being a Fez!"



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My mom is apparently buying into this BS that Terri is still residing in that husk. I tried explaining to her that "no cortex = no Terri", that the videos they've been showing on the major networks are A) heavily edited to make it seem like Terri is on the verge of breaking into song and dance and B) somewhat out-of-date...by several years, and that a lot of medical professionals agree that Terri ain't coming back from the edge she crossed a long time ago. No, my mom is CONVINCED that it's about the money(!) and that my being against the meat sack formerly known as Terri Schiavo being kept on life support (at state expense, I could care less if the family pays...it's their money they're wasting, not mine) is because I'm a man and she's a woman; that I'm a closet sexist.



Jesus tap-dancing Christ, she's as batty and paranoid as her mother when she goes off her meds. And this isn't the first time she's implied as much. Next, she'll be telling me I'm a racist homophobe...

For those, like Mrs. Tuberski, that don't already know, I'm one of the gay Apolytoners. Also, living in Reno, there isn't much cultural diversity, but I've had black friends (who've all moved away ) and have an asian friend who because of her nursing program I don't get to see all that often any more. Almost all the friends I've ever had in RL are female and she knows I have homosexual friends. I honestly don't get where she's getting it that I'm sexist. I'm "one of the girls" for Pete's sake.

And my mom? Although a registered Republican, she is liberal. She has the whacky notion that, as a liberal in Republican disguise, her vote cancels out that of a real Republican.

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Frankly, I think keeping a person tied to a feeding tube for 10 years probably would have exhausted the $700k. Then again, maybe we should ask Guy if that is a reasonable assumption to make.


That money is long gone. Even staying in a simple room with spartan care it would be gone by now.

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Going to law school next year, does that count?


I thought you already were a lawyer.

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Do you have to pay the medical costs for complications caused by medical malpractise? Seems a bit unfair to me, if they screw it up they can pay for the results.

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I wish these right to lifers would just go home already. The court has ruled umteen times and they have nothing new to offer yet still they keep claiming it is illegal and immoral.

I also love the hypocracy in that when the state judge didn't rule in their favor he became an evil facist and a bad, bad, man. they claimed the case just had to be moved to federal court and even went so far as to get the Republican hypocrits in Congress to pass a special law (which will be overtuned in the courts) to allow them to do so. Funny thing though the Federal court looked at the case and said the state court ruled correctly upon the law and refused to take action. Now they're having Gov. Bush attempt all sorts of underhanded and illegal tricks and they're calling the federal judge a corrupt and bad, bad, man!

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Another thing I've always wondered is why are nearly all of these "right to life" groups pro-death penalty? Bush gushes on and on about the the need to "respect life" but he just couldn't wait to brag about how he signed the death orders, as governor of Texas, on more convicts then any other governor in history.

If someone is going to claim they're motivated solely out of a desire to save lives then they should be consistant and not have people killed by the state.

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2 pages of long arguments, debate and links.

No explanations offered about this Schiavo-guy. Who is he?

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I wish these right to lifers would just go home already.


I think you're deluding yourself if you think it's only right-to-lifers who find killing Terri Schiavo to be a morally questionable act.

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Well, you folks don't seem to get the real story here. Schavio isn't the story. Schavio is a pawn. The real story is the actions of the Bush brothers, which seem to me to constitute the greatest threat to American liberty since the days of Nixon.

Oh, but what can I say. You folks were never that smart to begin with.



Yeah, right. We are afraid of Mike.

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Another thing I've always wondered is why are nearly all of these "right to life" groups pro-death penalty? Bush gushes on and on about the the need to "respect life" but he just couldn't wait to brag about how he signed the death orders, as governor of Texas, on more convicts then any other governor in history.

If someone is going to claim they're motivated solely out of a desire to save lives then they should be consistant and not have people killed by the state.


I guess it would be fair to say that you haven't spent a lot of time in fundamental churches have you?

You really ought to get out more.

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Then there's the husband, Michael. Yes, maybe he is acting in good faith, and trying to carry out her wishes. Seems to me, though, that he's at the point now where he should just say "**** it", and get a divorce so the parents can decide (and pay).


The only reasonable explanation I can see for this, and that I would agree with were I in his situation, is that he deeply loves his wife and is fighting to the end to make sure her wishes are fulfilled and she does not live on in such a state.

Were I in his shoes, I'd do the exact same thing for someone I loved. I couldn't just say "**** it" and leave them to continue on that way.

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