24-03-2005 20:09									#91
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quote: Originally posted by VJ No explanations offered about this Schiavo-guy. Who is he?

A woman that has been basically brain dead for the past 15 years. There's an opposition between the husband (who wants to unplug her) and the parents (who wants to keep her "alive"). The issue revived the euthanasia issue in the US. Some courts agreed with the husband. But Bush is trying to rush a law that would specifically prevent her from being unplugged.

	24-03-2005 20:10									#92
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Yesterday Keith Oberman had a very short piece about who is paying for all these lawyers, for Both sides. At this point the husband has gotten legal help form the ACLU and a few like minded law firms- he has probably gotten several hundreds of thousands of dollars of free lawyers.

The parents have been represented by a variety of right-wing and right to life groups, and they have probalby provided millions of dollars worth of legal help to this family. The parents have spent more because they are the ones making endless fillings and bringing lawsuits.

	24-03-2005 21:08									#93
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I want to see the plug pulled just to piss off Bush brothers and the rest of the right to life wackos.

	24-03-2005 21:51									#94
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Oh, and no suprise, the Supreme Court has denied the parent's appeal to them. This is the 5th time the SC has said rejected hearing this case.

	24-03-2005 22:19									#95
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Fifth?

I guess the only thing left is Jeb's attempt to snatch custody. Ruling was due by noon, haven' t heard anything.

	24-03-2005 22:21									#96
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I doubt that will get anywhere either- its a blatant attempt to undermine the courts- its beyond transparent.

	24-03-2005 23:14									#97
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I wonder if Jeb Bush would send the National Guard to save Terri.

	24-03-2005 23:17									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I wonder if Jeb Bush would send the National Guard to save Terri.

Only if he knew which way she'd voted.

	24-03-2005 23:58									#99
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Frankly, I wouldn't put it past some of the more, ahem, "activists" out there to try something ill-informed if and when their last judicial/legislative channel is slammed shut.

It would be ironic if blood were spilled over this.

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	25-03-2005 00:50									#100
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quote: Only if he knew which way she'd voted.

It's not a very difficult guess. She is braindead.

	25-03-2005 01:12									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Capt Dizle I guess the only thing left is Jeb's attempt to snatch custody. Ruling was due by noon, haven' t heard anything.

Bush's attempt was denied by the Florida court just now. Looks like we may finally be nearing an end to the legal options for the Schindlers. Hopefully this mess will be over soon.

	25-03-2005 01:14									#102
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State judge has refused to entertain Jeb Bush's request to shift custody of Terri Schiavo to the Florida Dept of Social Services. As far as I can tell, thats the end of the legal stuff.

Now its just a deathwatch.

	25-03-2005 01:21									#103
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And in some less traveled hall in the White House, darkened and guarded at both ends, eggs are passed out to the henchmen.

Painted eggs. Easter Eggs. Eggs of the Resurrection. Some to display at deathwatch sites. Some, for the homes and cars of the Florida judiciary.

	25-03-2005 01:58									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: Only if he knew which way she'd voted. It's not a very difficult guess. She is braindead.

You're bad. Very, very bad.

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I jump right into this debate without even logging into Apolyton for 2 weeks, and without reading any previous post, so excuse me if I repeat what someone might already have said.

If I were her parent, I would demand to feed her myself. If her husband doesn't like it, he should get a divorce. Even if she's close to a vegetable, dying of thirst might be very agonizing. If the court want her to die, her death should be quick and painless. The current decision is the worst possible.

	25-03-2005 02:56									#106
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Maybe you should the first thread.

	25-03-2005 03:48									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie I jump right into this debate without even logging into Apolyton for 2 weeks, and without reading any previous post, so excuse me if I repeat what someone might already have said.

Oh feel free to jump back out of this debate and log off for another couple of weeks Ollie. We won't mind.

	25-03-2005 04:25									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Capt Dizle Oh feel free to jump back out of this debate and log off for another couple of weeks Ollie. We won't mind.

What did I do wrong this time, baby?

	25-03-2005 04:26									#109
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Someone please remove the feeding tubes from this thread.

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	25-03-2005 04:28									#111
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quote: Originally posted by alva Maybe you should the first thread.

I have a vague clue of Ming saying it was not only locked, but deleted. This case does not really bother me though. I just stated my opinion, which is not written in stone.

	25-03-2005 04:28									#112
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I think we should remove the feeding tube from CNN

	25-03-2005 04:36									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I think we should remove the feeding tube from CNN

	25-03-2005 05:16									#114
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This case is utterly tragic. I cannot help but come down on the side of caution. Her husband has one million in the bank from a malpractice award that was supposed to be used to help Terry. Instead, when he got the award, he immediately began his attempts to pull the plug. This, coupled with the fact that he has moved on to another "wife" should disqualify him as being her guardian henceforth on the basis that he is her "husband." He has acted against Terry's welfare in attempting to preserve the million for his own beneftit. This is a manifest conflict of interest.

A Mayo Clinic neurolist is now testifying at the Federal District Court that Terry is minimally conscious. Her nurses say thats he can talk and that she can swallow. They say she tells them when she is in pain from her montly cycle. She says the word "pain" clearly enough to be understood.

She is alive and conscious and may, with therapy, be able to eat on her own. She certainly communicates with her parents in a manner sastifactory to them.

Were she completely unconscious, my opinion would be different. But, this is not such a case. If she has left a written a living will that clearly indicated her wishes in these circumstances, my opinion would be different. But, this is not such a case. If her desires to die were clearly established by witnesses who had no conflict of interest, my opinion would be different. But, this is not such a case. Were her family be united on the decision to pull the plug, my opinion would be different. But, this clearly is not such a case.

I have a daughter. I have been thinking that I might ask her to sign a power of attorney appoint me or my wife as guardians as opposed to her husband if such sad circumstances would ever to befall her. Guardians are supposed to have their wards' best interests at heart. Husbands, sadly, apparently have inherent conflicts of interest that prevent that.

I would also support legislation to this effect as the default rule in cases like these.

	25-03-2005 05:29									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: Only if he knew which way she'd voted. It's not a very difficult guess. She is braindead.

you are EVIL

	25-03-2005 05:30									#116
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quote: Instead, when he got the award, he immediately began his attempts to pull the plug.

Incorrect. It was 5 years after he recieved the award that he asked the court to pull the plug. And who paid the medical bills? The $1 million is gone.

quote: A Mayo Clinic neurolist is now testifying at the Federal District Court that Terry is minimally conscious. Her nurses say thats he can talk and that she can swallow. They say she tells them when she is in pain from her montly cycle. She says the word "pain" clearly enough to be understood.

Link? I've heard enough BS that I don't believe that Terry can talk at all. Her frontal cortex is gone.

quote: She is alive and conscious and may, with therapy, be able to eat on her own.

When just about every neurologist out there says this is impossible, I'd choose to believe them.

	25-03-2005 05:34									#117
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NED!!!!1!1!!!11

	25-03-2005 05:37									#118
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#1, I'm not afraid of Mike. I am glad to have him back. No one writes with quite the flair he does; his last turn phase in particular made me laugh. Doesn't mean I agree with his take; I've just exhausted all reserves of "my precious gives a ****."

#2, I'm with ya on the "retarded" thing.

	25-03-2005 05:41									#119
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quote: Incorrect. It was 5 years after he recieved the award that he asked the court to pull the plug.

You are correct. In the five years before he asked to pull the plug, he limited himself to placing a do-not-resuscitate order on Terri and denying her treatment for a potentially life-threatening bladder infection. She probably would have died then if the folks at the nursing home hadn't rebelled...

	25-03-2005 06:04									#120
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Imran, check out the news on TV. I got this report about the testimony at the Federal hearing now being conducted from MSNBC.

As to what the nurses said about Terry, I they have been all over TV. Are they lying? Why would they lie?

As to million, what you say about it being gone is apparently incorrect. The money that Michael has spent from the million has not been spent in an effort to rehabillitate Terry, but is instead being used on lawyers to terminate her life; although it is also clear that Michael is being helped with his legal fees from other interested organizations as well.