30-03-2005 09:03									#211
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Close, but not quite.

	30-03-2005 09:03									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Ooooh, I know what happened! They told Ljube that they would attack, all three, together, and keep Jamski home with a spy. Then Sparrow sent the spy at Jamski to keep his fleet at home, and Sparrow and Nuclear stayed at home, leaving ljube to be destroyed by Jamski.

Except it didn't work because jamski's fleet was gone due to the antispy? In which case it would be the sweetest burn of all time on Ljube's part

	30-03-2005 09:04									#213
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear Close, but not quite.

Hmm, well it was something like that. I get the sense that this is a backfired backstab attempt.

	30-03-2005 09:06									#214
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Did you take his bases while he was gone?

	30-03-2005 09:07									#215
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Did you take his bases while he was gone?

You are getting closer.

	30-03-2005 09:10									#216
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Ooooh, I know what happened! They told Ljube that they would attack, all three, together, and keep Jamski home with a spy. Then Sparrow sent the spy at Jamski to keep his fleet at home, and Sparrow and Nuclear stayed at home, leaving ljube to fight alone and be destroyed by Jamski.

They told me nothing. Spy against Jamski was pure waste. It was clear he was going to use one of his anti-spy devices.

And I was not allied with anyone.

	30-03-2005 09:16									#217
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Hmm. Nuclear clearly knows what's going on, and you don't. Interesting.

Well, at least you didn't attack me. Because I was telling the truth when I said I wasn't using a shield this round.

	30-03-2005 09:18									#218
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Hmm. Nuclear clearly knows what's going on, and you don't. Interesting. Well, at least you didn't attack me. Because I was telling the truth when I said I wasn't using a shield this round.

You attacked me, I presume?

	30-03-2005 09:20									#219
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Just to fill you in Jaguar (and anyone else confused), Lord Nuclear and I agreed to attack Jamski, Lord Nuclear betrayed me and attacked me and took my bases (I can only hope someone else attacked me too). Ljube and I both ended out attacking Jamski's undefended bases (seperately), so I guess we are going to see who wins his (Jamski's) bases.

	30-03-2005 09:20									#220
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@LN: Nope.



@Sparrow: So if one person in the alliance doesn't come through, it breaks into separate attacks?

	30-03-2005 09:21									#221
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Hmm. I think you'll beat Ljube, unless he has a fiendishly clever OOB.

	30-03-2005 09:21									#222
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Just to fill you in Jaguar (and anyone else confused), Lord Nuclear and I agreed to attack Jamski, Lord Nuclear betrayed me and attacked me and took my bases (I can only hope someone else attacked me too). Ljube and I both ended out attacking Jamski's undefended bases (seperately), so I guess we are going to see who wins his (Jamski's) bases.

This is also incorrect.

	30-03-2005 09:22									#223
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar @LN: Nope. @Sparrow: So if one person in the alliance doesn't come through, it breaks?

Actually, Ljube (as far as I'm reading) wasn't allied to either of them; so the difference is that LN isn't attacking with sparrow against Ljube, not that LN is keeping sparrow from sharing bases with him. I think, it's very hard to follow

	30-03-2005 09:22									#224
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Ah, right.

quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear This is also incorrect.

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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar @Sparrow: So if one person in the alliance doesn't come through, it breaks into separate attacks?

Not sure, this is only the second time I have been betrayed (the first person doesn't play any more )

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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Just to fill you in Jaguar (and anyone else confused), Lord Nuclear and I agreed to attack Jamski, Lord Nuclear betrayed me and attacked me and took my bases (I can only hope someone else attacked me too). Ljube and I both ended out attacking Jamski's undefended bases (seperately), so I guess we are going to see who wins his (Jamski's) bases.

****ing brilliant move Sparrow.

	30-03-2005 09:23									#227
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Oh my. I'm glad I made my ally swear to JEBUS on a stack of Space Bibles.

	30-03-2005 09:25									#228
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I you, ally.

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	30-03-2005 09:28									#230
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OK, since I'm going down and in an attempt to prevent attrition of Jamski's fleet and if my bases are not attacked, I'm giving my three bases to Jamski.

	30-03-2005 09:29									#231
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Oh my. I'm glad I made my ally swear to JEBUS on a stack of Space Bibles.

I love it

I'm definitely going to try that with my allies in the future. (Although i'm not sure they all believe in JEBUS ... wonder what that does to oaths sworn on it ... )

	30-03-2005 09:29									#232
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko OK, since I'm going down and in an attempt to prevent attrition of Jamski's fleet and if my bases are not attacked, I'm giving my three bases to Jamski.

Fortunately, he loses 10% regardless, since you can't send new orders in now.

	30-03-2005 09:30									#233
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko OK, since I'm going down and in an attempt to prevent attrition of Jamski's fleet and if my bases are not attacked, I'm giving my three bases to Jamski.

I'd vote that is not allowed at this point, as orders are already in. You may give them next round, i'd think, but not during turn results posting!!

	30-03-2005 09:34									#234
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They are simply added to Jamski and subtracted from me. There is a precedent for it and I'll show it for you if you insist. Tomorrow though, I'm too tired to dig it up now.

	30-03-2005 09:35									#235
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I have to hand it to Nuclear. He's arranged some ubercomplicated backstab so complex that everyone else combined still hasn't figured it out.

	30-03-2005 09:37									#236
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Including those involved!!

* Sparrowhawk

	30-03-2005 09:37									#237
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko They are simply added to Jamski and subtracted from me. There is a precedent for it and I'll show it for you if you insist. Tomorrow though, I'm too tired to dig it up now.

Precedent or not, it's not right. Orders are amendable until the GM begins processing them, and at that point they are complete. Otherwise the order in which he processes them is highly relevant to the result; let's say the identical thing happens with LN, but he is the last person processed, and so I am unable to give him some bases before Smiley calculates the 10% loss from attrition.

	30-03-2005 09:37									#238
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Nobody guessed why I was unable to figure that out.

	30-03-2005 09:39									#239
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Not even a Professor of Cunning at Cunning State University could figure it out.

	30-03-2005 09:39									#240
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Base gifting is not part of the orders. It occurs after the turn and is proclaimed in the thread.