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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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"Just once, we need an elected official to stand up to a clearly incorrect ruling by a court. Any incorrect ruling will do, but my vote is for a state court that has ordered a disabled woman to be starved to death at the request of her adulterous husband.
Florida state court judge George Greer –- last heard from when he denied an order of protection to a woman weeks before her husband stabbed her to death — determined that Terri would have wanted to be starved to death based on the testimony of her husband, who was then living with another woman. (The judge also took judicial notice of the positions of O.J. Simpson, Scott Peterson and Robert Blake.) The husband also happened to be the only person present when the oxygen was cut off to Terri's brain in the first place. He now has two children with another woman.
Greer has refused to order the most basic medical tests for brain damage before condemning a woman to death. Despite all those years of important, searching litigation we keep hearing about, Terri has yet to receive either an MRI or a PET scan — although she may be allowed to join a support group for women whose husbands are trying to kill them.
Greer has cut off the legal rights of Terri's real family and made her husband (now with a different family) her sole guardian, citing as precedent the landmark "Fox v. Henhouse" ruling of 1893. Throughout the process that would result in her death sentence, Terri was never permitted her own legal counsel. Evidently, they were all tied up defending the right to life of child-molesting murderers.
Given the country's fetishism about court rulings, this may be a rash assumption, but I presume if Greer had ordered that Terri Schiavo be shot at her husband's request — a more humane death, by the way — the whole country would not sit idly by, claiming to be bound by the court's ruling because of the "rule of law" and "federalism." President Bush would order the FBI to protect her and Gov. Bush would send in the state police.
What was supposed to be the "least dangerous" branch has become the most dangerous — literally to the point of ordering an innocent American woman to die, and willfully disregarding congressional subpoenas. They can't be stopped — solely because the entire country has agreed to treat the pronouncements of former ambulance-chasers as the word of God. The only power courts have is that everyone jumps when they say "jump." (Also, people seem a little intimidated by the black robes. From now on we should make all judges wear lime-green leisure suits.)
President Andrew Jackson is supposed to have said of a Supreme Court ruling he opposed: "Well, John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it." The court's ruling was ignored. And yet, somehow, the republic survived.
If Gov. Jeb Bush doesn't say something similar to the Florida courts that have ordered Terri Schiavo to die, he'll be the second Republican governor disgraced by the illiterate ramblings of a state judiciary. Gov. Mitt Romney will never recover from his acquiescence to the Massachusetts Supreme Court's miraculous discovery of a right to gay marriage. Neither will Gov. Bush if he doesn't stop the torture and murder of Terri Schiavo."
http://www.anncoulter.com/
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ACK!!! PTHBBPPPTTT!!!!
Feb 2002
time: 23:28
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In all of this, I can't believe that I just found out there is an Elementary school next door.:
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PINELLAS PARK, Fla. Mar 28, 2005 — Extra police blocked the road in front of the hospice where the severely brain-damaged Terri Schiavo lay dying Monday, and a spokesman for her parents said they are "dealing with reality" about their daughter's fate.
At least a dozen officers were assigned to the site a day after five supporters of her parents were arrested as protesters heckled police and boisterously chanted "Give Terri water." A next-door elementary school was closed for the week so students could avoid the throng.
On Schiavo's 10th day without food or water, supporters of her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, continued to plead for President Bush and his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush, to intervene to have her feeding tube reinserted.
"Everyone is willing to write this woman's obituary except one person. And that's Terri Schiavo herself," said Paul O'Donnell, a Roman Catholic Franciscan monk and a spokesman for her parents.
Some of the protestors, led by family spokesmen Patrick Mahoney, flew to Washington Monday to confront lawmakers and demonstrate in front of the White House gates, imploring leaders to step in and order Schiavo's feeding tube reconnected.
President Bush's aides have said they ran out of legal options to help the woman. Gov. Bush said Monday that while it "made sense" to have federal courts review the case, he had to respect their decisions last week not to order the tube reinserted.
"I have not seen any means by which the executive branch can get involved. My legal counsel has talked to the Schindler family and their lawyer over the weekend," Bush said. "My heart is broken about this."
Neither Schiavo's parents nor her husband offered new, specific details on her condition, but one of the two priests who visited her hospital room Easter Sunday said the brain-damaged woman's "death is imminent."
O'Donnell said Schiavo smiled, raised her hands and made guttural sounds late Sunday while being visited by her father and a friend, who was talking about how she liked to go out dancing. |
My child wouldn't be going to that school the entire time, why in hell would it be open when this idiocy is going on?
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shawnmmcc
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Imran - I already tried that one before, even referencing Occam's razor - Ned must have been exposed to that reference. However, he and those claiming Mr. Schiavo's ill intentions refuse, categorically, to deal with that inconsistancy. "Let's see, I'm in it for the money, her money is down below $600,000 - I can take the one million and let the Schindler's have the under $600,000. Nope, I'm taking the $600,000 sounds like a better deal."
I've stated multiple times, this sadly sounds like a case where you have in-laws falling out, i.e. people related through a marraige, and over the individual linking them. That is one of the most vicious disagreements you can get into. I think sadly that it has taken on a life of it's own, and from the fact the Schindler's are now challenging Michael's funeral arrangements - I kid you not - I submit there is some credence to my theory. By the way, Michael is having her cremated and married with his family in I think it was Wisconsin, the Schindler's want her to receive Catholic funeral rites and to be buried in Florida.
oh - and for all of you Terri Schiavo is not in a vegetable - nobody has replied to my question about the status of a human brain after a minimum of 10, and maybe as many as 14 minutes with no blood circulation under normal temperature situations.
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shawnmmcc
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I found the last sources first, I stopped with this one.
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1367393/posts
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Schiavo recovery impossible, experts agree
21 Mar 2005 18:02:01 GMT
Source: Reuters
WASHINGTON, March 21 (Reuters) - Terri Schiavo, at the center of an emotional and political storm over whether she should be allowed to die, will almost certainly never recover from her unconscious condition, neurologists agree.
She is in a permanent vegetative state, and no one has ever come back from such a condition, according to the American Academy of Neurology.
"Approximately 10,000 to 25,000 adults and 6,000 to 10,000 children in the United States are diagnosed as being in the persistent vegetative state," the Multi-Society Task Force on Persistent Vegetative State says in its 1995 guidelines on the condition, the latest available.
"Survival beyond 10 years is unusual. The chance for survival of greater than 15 years is approximately 1 in 15,000 to 1 in 75,000," it adds.
While most neurologists agree that recovery is almost impossible, the decision on whether and how long to keep such a patient alive is usually left to the individual doctor and the patient's guardian.
Schiavo has been in the condition, which is far more severe than a coma, since she had a heart attack in 1990 that deprived her brain of oxygen. Under the medical definition, that became a permanent state after a month.
Her husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo, has fought to allow her to die and courts have supported him.
The tube was removed on Friday after Florida courts rejected numerous last-ditch legal attempts by the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, to keep their daughter alive. But early in the hours of Monday morning President George W. Bush signed a bill allowing federal courts to again intervene in the matter.
The Schindlers believe their daughter responds to them and her condition could improve with treatment. Tennessee Sen. Bill Frist, a surgeon and Senate majority leader, has viewed videotapes and agrees.
But Dr. Ronald Cranford, a neurologist and bioethicist at the University of Minnesota Medical School, said reflexes can fool non-specialists.
"To the families and loved ones, and to inexperienced health care professionals, PVS patients often look fairly 'normal,'" Cranford said in a statement.
"Their eyes are open and moving about during the periods of wakefulness that alternate with periods of sleep; there may be spontaneous movements of the arms and legs, and at times these patients appear to smile, grimace, laugh, utter guttural sounds, groan and moan, and manifest other facial expressions and sounds that appear to reflect cognitive functions and emotions, especially in the eyes of the family."
Such patients can even squeeze a hand in response to a caress, Swedish Covenant Hospital in Chicago says in guidance posted on its Internet Web site.
"Sadly, these actions often appear meaningful to hopeful families but are all automatic reflexes -- not movements with a purpose," it reads.
"There are no confirmed reports of anyone fully recovering from a permanent vegetative state lasting more than three months."
This is because in such patients, the cerebral cortex has been destroyed, said Dr. Lawrence Schneiderman, a physician and bioethicist at the University of California, San Diego.
"Four to six minutes of anoxia, lack of oxygen, destroys that completely," Schneiderman wrote in comments posted on the Internet at http://seeingthedifference.berkeley...neiderman.html.
"The rest of your brain, particularly the brain stem, can survive for fifteen or twenty minutes without oxygen," added Schneiderman, who signed a friend of the court brief in July of last year supporting Michael Schiavo.
"What happens is that that part of the brain, the cerebral cortex, which is us, our personality, who we are, how we think -- our capacity to experience, see, hear, think, emote -- that may be permanently destroyed."
Experts say Terri Schiavo would experience no discomfort if allowed to die, as the part of her brain that experiences pain is unlikely to be functioning.
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www.manchesterheartcentre.org/heart/css_heartattack.php
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Emergency measures are needed quickly if the person is to survive. Resuscitaton needs to be done within 3 to 4 minutes of the arrest before the brain becomes starved of Oxygen |
www.athenshash.com/Main_HTML/medical.htm
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Without immediate medical assistance, the person cannot survive a stopped heart and will succumb to sudden cardiac death in minutes. The BRAIN can only remain undamaged for about FOUR MINUTES from the time that oxygen deprivation to the brain begins. |
/www.tennisserver.com/circlegame/circlegame_98_7.html/
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When a person suffers a heart attack, their heart stops beating and thus, ceases to provide oxygen to the brain and other tissues. If the brain is deprived of oxygen for more than four or five minutes, brain death or permanent damage usually occur. |
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